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RUNNIN' VEGAS - The John McNamara Podcast
Talking local sports, business and real estate.
RUNNIN' VEGAS - The John McNamara Podcast
Elevating Real Estate with Coach Chris Ward and talking Raiders & UNLV
Hey guys, john McNamara, host of Runnin' Vegas. We're talking local sports, business, real estate. If you guys like what you see, subscribe us on run in vegas podcast. Today we got a special guest, mr chris ward tom ferry coach virtue real estate group in the house all right, thanks for having me like that opening.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you talk so weird when you're on your podcast.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I gotta it's like my alter ego okay I gotta, so I got to get the running Vegas Come on, you got to get the hypeys. I'm hyped, I'm ready to go. I can tell let's do it. I can tell.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:All right, so let's talk about you've been the lead coach for Virtue Real Estate Group.
Speaker 2:Was it like nine months Cool so how's that going?
Speaker 1:What's going on with the brokerage? You've made a major impact with the company, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I appreciate that. Thank you so much. No, it's really been a lot of fun. It's been great.
Speaker 2:Honestly, I've had a lot of different career opportunities and it might be my favorite it would be up there with a couple other things but I've really enjoyed it. It's been a unique challenge because obviously with real estate, you have a real estate client. They choose to work with you. There's something that they see in you. That's why they choose to work with you. There's some type of trust or something like that. Then the next phase of my career was becoming a Tom Ferry coach and then I've loved that. That's been really a lot of fun and I still do it.
Speaker 2:But what's unique about that is somebody signs up. You know they have something in mind. I need help, I want to sign up, I'm committed, I'm making a financial investment in this and I'm choosing to hire you. So again, there's something like that, except they they hire the company instead of you. Specifically, what's been really unique about this experience is you know, darren chose to hire me, right? Darren put me in place and then so you're put in front of all the different agents and the agents. There's a little sense of kind of like hey, who are you Right, like I didn't necessarily sign up for this, and so there's a different, different dynamic where you know it's been humbling. You know it's been humbling in a sense, where you kind of have to prove yourself to the agents, you have to show value. You know you kind of have to present information in a different way. Right, not everybody is fully committed.
Speaker 2:yet you know it's something that you earn the trust over time, and so it's been a really fun experience, very different. I appreciate you saying that I've had a large impact. I'm starting to feel that now, you know, we're starting to see that in some ways, but it's really been a lot of fun. It's been a new challenge and, you know, honestly, you know, know it's corny to say, but I really wouldn't trade it I really learned a lot and, you know, with the fact that it's been a bit humbling, um, I think it's made me a better coach in that sense.
Speaker 2:Oh, what do you mean by humbling? Humbling in the sense that, like when you know tom ferry, someone would show up and they'd be like I'm ready to go, let's do it, oh yeah, and humbling in the sense that kind of you, any ego that you develop, from that sense of someone's like all right, I'm going to pay you all this money, I'm ready to go and you're going to be my coach. Versus humbling in the sense that the people at the brokerage didn't really sign up for that and they're just kind of like, hey, ok, I'm told to be here today. I don't know who you are, and so humbling in the sense that you kind of have to prove yourself over and over again. You have to earn that trust, and so it's been something. I've been up for, that challenge, but you know it's been kind of nice, it's been good.
Speaker 1:I like that. Well, it seems like you're excelling and yeah, I mean, you've been a Tom Perry coach of their top coaches. So what are the lessons you have learned from, from that coaching program that have translated well for you being the lead coach for Virtue Real Estate Group?
Speaker 2:That's a great question. There's a couple things that come to mind immediately, and I guess one of the first thing that comes to mind is the accountability aspect of it. Whenever someone signs up in Tom Ferry, they say, hey, I'm here for accountability, I'm here because I've signed up, because I identified this problem right, and so typically right out the gates there's a sense of, okay, great, we'll just solve that problem then, right, and again it's been unique where some people again haven't signed up. They're not sure what it is yet. So it's a little bit more digging, a little bit more learning people learning their businesses, and so you learn to ask different questions as you kind of prod and figure that out, because, not to say, there's less self-awareness, but it's just not. I've made this commitment because I've already identified the problem. So you have to kind of help people identify that problem. And so some of the main things I've learned is people would always sign up at Tom Ferry saying, hey, I want accountability. You start to help them with accountability and they're like, oh, I don't actually want that, I actually don't want that at all, and so that's always a problem.
Speaker 2:But as you're kind of learning, okay, there's usually some type of flaw here? And generally to answer your question, there's some type of issue with the secondary or third lead generation source. A lot of realtors can be pretty good when they have one thing that they do well, but where they start to find the problem with either scaling to the next level I want to double my business. Oh, I'm inconsistent. Now there's nothing repeatable. It's usually in that second, third lead source and the lack thereof. So one thing that I've really found over the last year in particular is really creating some type of steady secondary, maybe third lead source. That way someone has a more well-rounded business that's not just relying on one thing okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:So creating other pillars out there is any like pillars out there that you would recommend, or is it? You kind of depending on the person if you can go to them. You know more sure, of course.
Speaker 2:and so there's the database, the sphere, right, the referrals of that. I consider that one thing, and so the referrals that come from the people that know you already and they themselves the business that they are going to provide, and so that's, that's the most important thing. Typically, when you coach with me, that's a non-negotiable. If you don't have any sphere whatsoever, it's going to be an uphill battle, and I just like refer to that as someone who's grinding for business. You know, every day they wake up and it's like I have to meet a whole new person, create trust, show value and then convert them as a client. It's just, it's just a lot right. And so the non-negotiable is you have to have a strong, repeatable sphere, people that will come back and work with you and then refer to you. That's, that's how you make your life easy in this business for sure right, and you've seen this from being a cold caller.
Speaker 2:What happens is you call and there's an initial call, but then there's the follow-up and then you touch base three months later and then eventually the people know you, you're saved in the phone and it's less difficult over time. Yeah, right, so cold calling is not for everyone. But, to answer your question, I do think database is really important. I think open houses are becoming more valuable again. I agree with that for sure. Right, because I think a lot of buyers are looking on their own now for homes, just that much longer now, with the new buyer brokerage agreement that need to be signed, people don't want to be locked in with an agent, so they go to more open houses, they search more online which brings you to the next point doing quality videos, doing social media, creating a digital brand. So I would really kind of say those are some of the best things right now. Definitely your sphere and their referrals.
Speaker 1:Open houses are working again, and then digital brand yeah, I like that because I've noticed just cold calling over the last 20 years is the pickup rate is lower. People still pick up though, so that's that's never excuse. But I do kind of like open houses a little more, because now you get is the pickup rate is lower. People still pick up though, so that's never an excuse. But I do kind of like open houses a little bit more because now you get FaceTime, where people are not as interactive, it's just getting in front of people. So what are some traits that you would consider that you see out of top producing agents?
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, the first by far is going to be internal motivation. I mean, I don't even think it's even close no-transcript people that are saying, well, why did that client not choose me right? It's tough to have the conversation sometimes because nobody likes you right, it's.
Speaker 1:That's what keeps on happening to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that must be it's that dumb voice you do.
Speaker 1:You love it uh, okay, cool, um, so that's interesting, okay, so it's the desire to go out there and get it every single day, which I can appreciate. That is there like a? Is there a theme behind that, because you work with a lot of top producing agents? Like, is there something like bad? Because I know I realize, like one thing on this pod that I've got out the biggest thing, I've got a 99 of the people that are successful have all been like former athletes and just like the discipline to go at it every day and just keep going and even though you're they're losing in practice, losing games. So do you see like a trend of of a certain kind of folk you know that has that desire to keep moving, or yeah, I mean probably.
Speaker 2:You're probably right when you say that. I mean, it's probably the competitiveness you know I referenced a minute ago, and it goes to being the athlete. Um, you know, if you're playing sports and someone shoves you, do you fall down or you shove back right, and I think there's some sense of, okay, I tried this thing, it didn, it didn't work. Am I going to give up or am I going to, you know, try extra hard? Am I going to go back, but with a different script or a different approach, or am I going to try to learn a new skill? Right? And so the competitiveness, and I think maybe the other thing is the willingness to learn a new skill.
Speaker 2:Too many people, just over and over again, are going to say you, you know, this is what I did last year, this is who I am, this is my business, and so I expect a different result next year instead of learning something new. And I guess an example of that is, over and over again, people tell me they want to do video, learn video, but they don't have the budget to spend two, three thousand a month to have someone create video for them and film and edit. But the editing isn't that hard to figure out. It's the people who just shoot a video with gimbal. What they have in front of them, they shoot their own video, they learn cap cut, they do their own editing. Just get it done. Yeah, just be competitive enough to just say I'm gonna do this and then be willing to try something new yeah, I agree with you because we do video and a lot of times I screw up.
Speaker 1:Half the time I just do it like on my phone, I send it out. I'm like I'm just sending it out, but it's just those like reps and you keep learning and you keep working on those scripts because you got to stay in front of it, because the scripts I use 20 years ago they still work, but you kind of have to change it a little bit here and there and you keep kind of tweaking it every year and in more videos. So I agree with you. So you guys are having a lot of success at Virtue. You're coaching a lot of top producers. Do you have any success stories? Anything you want to talk about?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean recently. There's an agent that I was speaking to who I like to ask hey, what do you think is the biggest problem in your business? What do you think is the thing that you should be doing right now that you're not? What's that thing that's been eating at you, that's been in the back of your mind like I gotta do that. I gotta do that. I like to ask those questions because I can try and identify and figure out what's going on. But it's just great if I ask you because there's probably something in your mind that you know you need to do, and so I was speaking to an agent at virtue really good, strong agent. Uh, been on this pod actually.
Speaker 1:And he said to me we can't say names on the pod?
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so. And so he he identified that a lot of people in his network just forget or don't even know that he's in real estate, or when they do, they'll kind of say, oh, that's right, You're in real estate, but they don't realize that he's actually like a very top producing agent right, yeah, he does very well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he does really well. So what we ended up yeah, what we ended up doing was, instead of just saying, hey, I'm in real estate, what we did was we created a marketing piece that had all of Las Vegas and then we did pin drops on a map to say where sales were. And so this person's been in real estate for 22 years, has done over 350 million in sales and some 250-ish I don't remember that exact number of closed sales, right. So lots of sales. That's a producing person who has experience, knows what they're doing. But yet the people in this person's network did not realize that.
Speaker 2:And so we created some marketing to put that out there and then shared that through social media. We definitely put that as part and then shared that through social media. We definitely put that as part of the conversation, and so what we've been doing is asking for business and making sure that people understand that not only is in real estate, but he can be trusted, right, he knows what he's doing, and so in order for someone to recommend you to somebody else obviously have to trust you, right. You're not just gonna put that out there if you don't think that you would be able to do a good job because it'd make you look bad, and so we really wanna make sure we build that trust that you're in good hands here. And so just from doing that asking for business at a higher level, looking for referrals and putting that marketing content out the results just in the last two months have been huge.
Speaker 1:Awesome, that's cool to hear. Yeah, nice, okay. So I know the brokerage right now is really trying to grow. What would you say? Virtually real estate groups their value proposition. There's an agent out there looking right now, listening or watching the pod. You know why should they consider meeting with you guys?
Speaker 2:It's a really great question. I mean training, I think, would be one of them. Marketing is another thing that comes to mind, training in particular. So every single week I do group coaching. Everyone could come to that. This Monday we did a luxury listing panel where Darren and myself were on the panel, and so every single month we'll do something like that, which really strong training, and so I mean Darren was in charge of a billion dollar project right.
Speaker 2:I mean, wouldn't you? I mean, just a couple of weeks ago he took eight listings in a week for 26 million.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's not a bad week. I kind of have a funny. He's an amazing salesperson. It's nice to be around, Darren, because he thinks so big you and I actually. So Chris is actually my brother, if you guys don't know that. But you and I actually had happy hour the week of that and I didn't even tell you. But that week I took four listings. I had just come from Pahrump, got an awesome listing out there, and I came back like thinking I was the man, Like oh, I took four listings, two houses this week, and then you said to me like oh, yeah, darren took eight listings for 26 million in volume and I was just like holy crap, I guess I got to get back at it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's why I love this brokerage, because people are doing high volume, big sales and even you think you had a good week and you could take it like your foot off the metal a little bit.
Speaker 2:No way you got to keep cranking, so yeah, I mean there's a couple of things that become part of that. There's the training, there's asking people for their advice when they have the actual experience. It's great to ask an agent in your office. Maybe you have an agent in your office that you really respect, and that's wonderful. If you don't, I mean that's one thing that's really good about this brokerage.
Speaker 2:Um, you know, there's people that I've talked to at other brokerages are like yeah I've been number one, number two, number three, number four at my brokerage year over year, month over month, and it's just like I don't feel that competition, I don't feel like anyone's pushing me to that next level, right, and I need to surround myself with people, and so one thing that's great about our brokerage is, yes, I've experienced a lot in real estate. I've seen a lot and I can help you with that. Darren has just such a high level, but then there's also the people like you, rich, the other, darren, darren Melton, bill, like there's agents that also have a ton of experience in sales, and so being just in a different environment, I think, is one thing that the brokerage really has to offer. We have a wonderful location, and so the office itself, being able to have a sense of community there, I think, is one of the great things. We also have the filming studio, so the level of marketing that comes with that too, I think, is outstanding.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I agree with you, with you well, one thing I like about them because you know our team does about 40 60 deals a year give or take. But one thing I love about this brokerage is they're more focused on the volume. So, like you said, like top five in your brokerage. Every year you feel like the man. You come out here and you have Darren doing his 60, 80, 100 million, whatever he does for the year, going to 50 this year she's doing 250 share and I believe we'll get it. And one thing that's cool about darren as well is he's just a really humble dude like I feel like you could just talk shop with him. He's super open. I don't get a vibe from a lot of other luxury agents out there top producing not that we have a ton of them here. We maybe have like 10. It's a handful. But darren, after knowing most of them, like darren is just like the most open, chill guy that you just talk anything with so and he regularly goes on your listing appointments with you if you need help.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not everyone does that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's for sure all right, cool. So now that we got real estate out of the way done, wow, why I really had you on the pod. Yeah, wow, why I really had you on the pod. Yeah, suck sports yep, this is all we do. Yep, so that the fact that I get to go in a pod and just like literally talk sports with you, yeah, made my day. I get to nerd out for like 13 minutes here. Yeah, all right, let's do it. Local sports we can't talk new york jets because nobody cares about.
Speaker 2:Oh, gosh, the worst jets. Oh gosh, they're the worst.
Speaker 1:Jets fan it's a nightmare, All right so, raiders, pete Carroll, how do you feel about the hire?
Speaker 2:I'm really interested to see how he and Chip Kelly work together. Yeah. Because they're just very conflicting offenses? I think so they both like to run the ball?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but Chip Kelly he does, but he runs it in more of a spread right. You look at kind of like Chip Kelly's offenses versus like how Pete Carroll would run it with Marshawn Lynch just right at you, right. And so Chip Kelly wants some short passes, spread it, throw screens, things like that. I'm curious to see how Chip Kelly's offense works because also I don't really know that the Raiders have the personnel for that right. So I'm just curious to see how the offense looks. Pete Carroll could be great.
Speaker 1:One thing I noticed, though, with Chip Kelly this year at Ohio State. He slowed it down and obviously he has like the most talent and luckily they're going into a draft class where there's just uber talent when it comes to running back. So I imagine they're going to pick up one or two backs in there, right. But I'm super interested to see where they go at QB, because how he likes that kind of like point guard slash quarterback, right. I mean they could literally pick up Mariota and I think they would be able to move the ball oh gosh Go back to the Oregon days.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Wow, that kid never stays healthy, so I wouldn't want Mariota Maybe as a backup Right. But I mean, what are your thoughts on, like the QB position? Who do you think they should bring in? A lot of talk with Stafford right now.
Speaker 2:I don't see stays with the Rams. I do too. I think he's. I think he's just trying to get more money, yeah, and maybe a longer contract. I also wonder how long he's going to play. Yeah, I don't know. So I mean, the retirement rumors for Stafford have been around for a while, but you know're going to bring in a running back.
Speaker 2:I travion henderson and quinchon jugkins are both you know his backs and so I didn't think of that till right now. They'll probably bring in one of them. You would think, yeah, um, they'll probably target whoever his favorite was. For the offense, I don't know, we'll see, but for quarterback I don't know.
Speaker 1:It just you the other day said justin fieldson man, I love that, yeah, I feel like it would be Justin Fields.
Speaker 2:That's what I think I think it should be Justin Fields, and they can simplify the offense enough to just dink and dunk and get it out there. I mean, the guy has been plagued by terrible offensive lines his entire career and then he did really well with Pittsburgh last year. I mean record-wise. I mean passing was iffy, but still, yeah, that's not his strength is passing for, for sure, but put him in a dome. That guy is a beast.
Speaker 1:It's like just have him run, you know, do some rpos and yeah, they have enough weapons. It was interesting too because I was looking at the. I'm not like this huge raiders fan, but I'm looking at the lineup and look at the roster. The offensive line is like actually a legit offensive line.
Speaker 2:I think all I need is like a right tackle not a huge raiders fan who has had season tickets since there, I didn't go once last year. Yeah, so fair enough, no uh, yeah, I mean, their offensive line is pretty solid yeah it's, it's not terrible. They're, I don't know, starting running backs. Gotta be towards the worst in the league.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, they need to bring they're bringing in a running back and I imagine they'll bring in like another guy in the fifth and six, so we'll back up that guy. Yeah, because there's a lot of the more I've been researched, like they're saying it's like minimum seven running backs are going in. I mean, what's the last running back in terms of depth, right Like the last running back class that you can remember. That's this good, I was trying to remember on the way.
Speaker 2:It has to be the Joe Mixon, Christian McCaffrey. It has to be that class. It's been a minute yeah, what was that 17? Yeah, was that the 2017 draft class.
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah, it's been, so the good news is there's plenty of talent. I hope they do not spend money on a free agent running back. I hate when I see it, unless it's like elite talent. So quarterback Sanders or veteran, veteran, veteran, I would go veteran too. That's another thing about this offseason, too. I can't remember how many quarterbacks are potentially available. Usually it's like one, maybe two, and there's just like a boatload this year yeah, this year, and free agency. Not draft Draft is not looking that great.
Speaker 2:Yeah, cousins and Rodgers have to be off their teams, but them, and then Fields, and who knows what's going on with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 1:Wilson. I hope they don't get Wilson Darnold D Russell Wilson I hope they don't get Wilson Darnold Darnold's interesting. I wouldn't want to pay him, but I do think overall he's a good quarterback.
Speaker 1:I mean he would fit that system, though he would, it sounds like they're not going to franchise him because they don't want to spend the money, right. So, yeah, I'm kind of getting excited about Raiders, at least offensively. I think it's probably going to take that defense going again. But yeah, the uh, the gm there. He did a good job at the with the bucks and they got a lot of low uh low draft pick guys plug and play for. Tampa bay had a really good defense, won a super bowl with that gm, so I think it's going to be a little bit more interesting. The fact it. The big thing for me was actually when they paid chip kelly six million dollars beyond square. I'm like, oh, this is rebuild, they're going to win now. And then you think Pete Carroll is 74 years old. Right, he's not in rebuild mode either. He needs to win within the next five years, three years, so they're going to compete. So I'm kind of excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they could turn it around and be good next year, for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1:They have a lot of positional holes, but like I don't know why you couldn't fill them. It seems like this could be a year they could do it. Yeah, at least make playoffs, maybe. Maybe I mean tough division. We gotta yeah, we gotta see how the off season goes, and there's a lot to go, that's a really good division now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it really is, which is fun. I like it when the divisions are good. Yeah, yeah, sure, no filling in like Washington last year, you know, yeah, so cool, all right Number next UNLV football. Mm-hmm Dan Mullen. Yeah, what do you think about the hire?
Speaker 2:I mean, he's an interesting guy.
Speaker 1:He's weird.
Speaker 2:He's a very good coach. He's different, right.
Speaker 1:But if you look at, I mean I like him, now he do. I say we are in like a good way. By the way, like I know, when he talks he's a little like I don't know, centric is the best way to put him. I don't, I'm not sure, but he has an interesting personality. But man, that guy can convert, recruit.
Speaker 2:Well, keep going no, well, I mean, yeah, I mean, isn't your guest supposed to be the one that talks?
Speaker 2:so I, I think, just kind, of being in the SEC for as long as he was and his track record of playing a certain competition, and I think he could be pretty good. I actually think he could be pretty good Now. Odom was pretty good and so where he's leaving, it is a pretty solid team, but the bar is actually kind of high right now. So for the first time, I guess guess in UNLV history right, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that but a coach comes into a team where the expectations are actually really high that doesn't happen a lot here.
Speaker 1:No, it doesn't, because we've done a lot of UNLV football and they've been really bad for a long time.
Speaker 1:And I was super excited for the Barry Odom I thought he was. He was a great culture guy, he builds really well. But Dan Mullen just kind of feels like I'm like oh man, when Barry and you knew Barry was probably gonna leave, like with all the success yeah, I'm, I. I know he went for the money, but for him to go from Unilvy to Purdue, I was a little like that one was that's gonna be a tough place to win. I feel like you almost have a better chance at Unilvy. Yeah, even though it's not power conference but west lafayette, indiana she's got a lot of competition indiana right now in notre dame, indiana already.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but damn, mullen, he just got he. So this off season he brought in 35 transfers, uh, like 17 high schoolers over 15 kids, 50 kids, yeah, and I mean like all, like the majority of those transfers former sec players yep.
Speaker 2:And the thing that stood out to me too is he goes for the prototypes.
Speaker 1:If you look at those players he brought in, like it's just size weight yeah, it's 4-4 yeah, pure prototype players that he brought in, yeah, yeah so yeah, it's gonna be fun to see how it develops. And I I kind of actually like because I don't know if you and I have talked a lot about this but un Unilv declined to go to the new Pac-12 or whatever the heck it is going to be. It's like Pac-7 right now Pac-8. They declined to go to them. They decided to stay in the Mountain West. Take like the $18 million and the extra. I actually think it's like a good move because they get that money, they can use that. Now they can pay Dan Mullen, they can win, because to me it's like near the Mountain West pack. There's not like a huge difference, where I think what their goal is and I don't know if it's actually gonna happen is do whatever you got to do to get in the big 12.
Speaker 1:I was thinking that too yeah big 12 yeah and I'd rather go for that and not make it than just go to pack 12 and and just be like one of the other teams at the Pac-12. So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see what happens with these conferences, because some of them Big 12 in particular are getting so large, and so, yeah, I'm curious to see the future of these conferences. It seems like people don't love the NCAA themselves.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they're not even NCAA is not even doing anything. Now, love the NCAA themselves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they're not even NCAA is not even doing anything.
Speaker 1:now it's yeah, it's going to be an SEC that run it now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be interesting, I agree. I think, probably staying out of the pack and just staying with the money that you get in the mountain West I mean, look at Boise, got the number four seed in the playoffs this year right, like, potentially replicate that type of success and get number four seed wouldn't be that crazy right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not like, say, unilv goes 11 and one and uh, boise goes into the pack and goes 10 and two. It's probably gonna be unilv at the 11 one. Maybe if they have a similar record the pack gets to push in. Yeah, but they only. The g5 only gets one spot. So unless they open it up and make it, you know, yeah to a bigger field.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then you're going to have to watch what happens with, like, a packed championship game. Would they have one? Probably not. No, it probably gets money. Maybe, yeah, maybe it's tough to necessarily have a championship game with seven, eight schools.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think the key is just make NCAA tournaments. Yeah, and the same thing about they've been terrible, good segue for basketball, but they've been just terrible for basketball for the last 10 years. So now I mean it's going to be Grand Canyon, Nevada, New Mexico, vying for that championship for Mountain West to make the tournament. Maybe it's a two seed league, maybe you know. But what are your thoughts? Because another mediocre season you'll be basketball. Unless Kevin Kruger somehow pulls out a Mountain west tournament championship to go to the ncaa tournament, I would put all the money in the world he is out. I mean, you and I got season tickets about 10 years ago back in the good old days and you will be basketball making ncaa turn anthony bennett yeah, that was so fun reinhardt yeah
Speaker 2:yeah, he was fine. Three-point shooter, yeah yeah, yeah, that was really fun. I don't know. It just feels like one thing that's been missing with unlv since like anthony marshall, I guess is just cohesion, just kind of like year over year. Here are the players you know, here are the players to expect. You can expect, like, for them to play together. If you look at like the ncaa tournament like giant killers, it's always a team. These guys have seniors, juniors and playing together for a couple years. Right, they have a rotation of eight guys that they trust. Just don't feel that from UNLV and we haven't had that in a while you think, though, with NIL, you can do that anymore.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I mean, it feels like this year watching college. It's been a little disappointing for me because I love college basketball, but it feels like the power conferences and the smaller conferences, or mid-majors, whatever you want to call them. There's way more separation now, because I feel like San Diego State great example. I think they're going to make the tournament, but they got poached. All their kids went to Kentucky and all these. You look at the top 25, 20 of those teams are Big Ten and SEC and then ACC. It's just the power. There's not a lot of like mid-major teams that are like in discussion. They're mostly on the bubble.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know the answer to that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I guess that would be Got to put you in a corner there. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I guess we'll kind of see. I mean, we're right on the corner of the ncaa tournament here and every single year and probably this year would be no different there'll be a couple of those mid-majors that show up and same deal. It's like okay, here's a senior who just is amazing and they play well together. It just always seems to happen, and so, um, I mean, tournaments tend to be guard focused, so I don't know, maybe they just go that route. I, I'm not sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, my thoughts are you know it's kind of hard to watch me see Iowa State with also burger and then beard having success. These guys beard was here for a couple months, asperger was here for two years, and now they have top ten teams or top twenty, whatever it is, and they're they're pushing that, say, tournament. My thoughts are get like an older coach, maybe in his 60s I know Rick Pitino is like a 70. He's having success at uh, st john's right now but like maybe an older coach that's made his money but still wants to, you know, win and gets to live in las vegas, somebody who's got a little bit experience. They can kind of bring some stability to the, to the program yeah, probably a good idea.
Speaker 1:It's like a damn mullin situation.
Speaker 2:Yeah someone wants to save for well, we'll see how long getting mullin stays, but yeah, forever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we'll see about that all right guys, we're gonna wrap this up. Thank you, chris, for being on the pod. If you guys are looking for a great coach or you want to know a little bit more about virtual real estate group, hit this man up is Ron Vegas. Take care of yourselves today.