Speaker 1: 0:14

hey guys, a John McNamara host right in Vegas. We're talking local sports business, real save you guys. Like we see they subscribe, follow us. I'm ronald bing's podcast. Today we got a special guest, mark dabu, co-founder and collective agency video strategist.

Speaker 2: 0:36

Yep in the house yeah, thank you for having me on. It was really cool to see this in person before I came on here. Um, you know, I like to see how the podcast goes and that intro right there solid, thank you.

Speaker 1: 0:47

Yeah, I tried to get a little hypey before get the energy up. So, yeah, I appreciate any feedback for this pod. We can use all the feedback we can get. So, yeah, not for sure, cool man. So let's hear more about you, where you're from, what's your story?

Speaker 2: 1:01

yeah, so, uh, mark dabu um, born and raised here in las vegas, uh, basically just decided to like live here because, I don't know, I never really had the itch to kind of like leave. Vegas was always like home to me. Um, grew up in the east side of las vegas, went to school at el dorado, shout out uh, and then graduated suravistaista and then just kind of, you know, just lived here my whole life and kind of got into video, vaguely like in high school, high school, middle school, just like, you know, back when handy cams were a thing and you would just, you know, borrow your parents' camcorder. Yeah, so that's what I would do and just kind of shoot videos with my friends, just just for fun.

Speaker 1: 1:43

So that's cool. Yeah, how did you kind of like break into the next level with being a videographer? Yeah, so I'd say like after high school.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Um, this was back before video was like very common to where it is now, right. So it really what did it click my mind that I can shoot video for a living, right? So I just did different odd jobs here and there, just trying to figure out my place, um, and it wasn't until I met up with an old friend of mine that had moved out, um, and we were having lunch together and I kind of asked him, like you know, what is he up to now, what does he do? And he said he shoots video. And I was like no, no, like what do you do like for work? Like what's your job, you know? And that's, he said, video.

Speaker 2: 2:22

I was like really like what do you mean video? And so I kind of looked into it and, you know, saw that, um, you can actually make a living off a video. So that's kind of like piqued my interest because I was a thing that I would do just for fun, like in high school, you know, just with friends and stuff. So when I found out that you can actually like shoot video, edit video, um, as like like a career, I was all in and I'd say that happened about seven years ago. So Wow, yeah, 20. I like it with math right now, 2017, ish that that time frame so awesome.

Speaker 1: 2:54

So you've been doing this for a while now, so what are kind of like the been, the big lessons you've learned and the big growth moments, if that makes sense yeah, I mean I was talking to Rick over here.

Speaker 2: 3:03

I just I feel like I just started just getting into it, you know, but in the meantime that I've been learning, um, I guess the biggest lessons I've learned is just always try to learn something new, you know, because technology strategies, trends, they're always evolving, right, um, and it's not that you feel like you are comfortable now might not matter, next year, you know, maybe next month. So it's just, I think, just always keeping on trends with things and just staying up to date with how technology is going, how, um, you know, people are receiving the material that you're putting out there is, uh, super important yeah, awesome, what's like the new new technologies that have been coming out, because I know AI is a big part of that.

Speaker 1: 3:48

So tell me more.

Speaker 2: 3:49

Yeah, no, you know AI is a thing, and as hard as for me to accept it because I'm old like I like to do things like hands-on I realized AI is very important and it's very helpful. It saves a lot of time. We actually use AI with Virtue I don't know if we'll get to that later. It could definitely streamline a lot of the mundane tasks that we have as an editor. From a long form video or just extracting different, um, you know, parts of, uh, like I said, like a long form video into like little bite-sized clips is like one way that you can kind of use AI to help streamline your stuff.

Speaker 1: 4:35

Yeah, we do it for like our short clips too, but I realize it's kind of interesting, cause you still need to. I know for ourselves it's take the time to like customize it. Oh yeah, because it seems like, because they always give you like five and I'm always I'm. They're always like the worst, yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:50

I'm like, how did?

Speaker 1: 4:51

they come up with these five like once in a while they hit it.

Speaker 2: 4:53

But exactly it's a gamble you know, it's always like you. You give them one long-form video and it's spelled like 40 clips and out of those 40 probably could use like two or three. Yeah, you still had to kind of refine it from there. So I think it's a good way to use ai to kind of get the ball rolling. But you that's where your expertise comes in, to kind of like figure out the adjustments and really like dial in what you want out of it oh for sure, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 5:17

So what does like your creative process look like? Because I know like all everybody kind of has their own style. Like what would separate you, mark, from another video strategist out there?

Speaker 2: 5:29

yeah, I mean for me.

Speaker 2: 5:31

I think what I really pride myself on is just making people feel comfortable on camera, um, because I, like I know for myself it's I understand it's very stressful to be in front of the camera.

Speaker 2: 5:42

You know a lot of people it's their first time having all the lights, everyone just looking at you, especially as an introvert myself, like I can relate, right. So how do I bring them out of their, you know, comfort zone and really get you know the nuggets from their talking points? And I think that's where you can really, um, separate yourself from a human being. You know, like the actual storytelling from an AI generated prompt, yeah, you know. So that's where I feel like I can really like separate myself. And to get to that point, I do like to do some research about whoever I'm interviewing, whoever's going to be on camera, whether it's like a person, a business or, let's say, a listing video. I would look up the actual property online and just kind of get a feel about what the house looks like is it more traditional, a little more modern, you know and just kind of tailor the edit to that.

Speaker 1: 6:36

So okay, yeah, yeah, and that's kind of how you and I got connected. Because you came up, introduced yourself, you actually did a little research on run Vegas, so right away I felt connected. Because you came up introduce yourself, you actually did a little research on run Vegas, so right away I felt connected because you're very friendly, very easy to talk to and I know myself like connection is huge because you're right, like there is a I coming and talk about this all the time, but still it's a human connection of that makes a really big difference.

Speaker 2: 7:03

You know, oh, yeah, for sure and I feel like, with AI, like I think think another way to really use it to your advantage is, you know, everyone's kind of gravitating towards AI. So that's a perfect opportunity to really showcase yourself as a human, because that's what people are going to be craving, right. Yeah, authenticity. I think that was like the most authentic word or the most Google search word in the dictionary, or something along those lines of 2024. And I feel like, with AI being so prominent, people really crave that authenticity. So there's one. That's one way you can really separate yourself. It's just like being human, you know. So that's how you can kind of utilize AI to your advantage. You know, it's just kind of like use it for yourself, but also like just remember that you have knowledge too. You don't always have to, you know, rely or maybe crutch on um, on technology, like that.

Speaker 1: 7:54

Yeah, so you're right too, because I feel like the people that like go trending or like super popular in social media videos. They tend to be authentic, which is, to me, is always sometimes harder to do because I'm like a natural kind of like people placer, yeah so, and introverted as well. You know, like doing the pod is get me out of the you know, my box as well. So it's interesting because I went to a real estate seminar and they were talking about I'm kind of getting a little like voodoo here, but not like.

Speaker 2: 8:22

I love it.

Speaker 1: 8:22

Okay, cool so they're talking about like spirituality and there's like levels of and they rate it on a scale. Love is like 700 point scale, but the biggest thing I got out of that is 800, which was higher, was being authentic. Oh, there you go. So which is more powerful than love? So I was like that's crazy. That's crazy, right, but you'll see, on social media too, like there's some people that are kind of like to me, a little bit jerks, but they're authentic, and they go off because they're bringing themselves exactly you know, and people can relate to it yep 100, and I think that's what, um, that's what?

Speaker 2: 8:55

yeah, exactly, it separates yourself because no one can replicate that. You know. If you really, you know, are true to who you are like, I think when you go on a podcast, that's where it really, that's where you have to be authentic. You know people are going to see through the cracks if you are putting up a front, you know. But I feel like, with authenticity, it's uh, just something you can't duplicate and it really makes you like unique to yourself.

Speaker 1: 9:19

Yeah, so yeah, that's one thing I like about the pod too is because you get to have like these I'm very like more um one-on-one person and get to know somebody. So it's kind of cool to hear everybody's stories and to me there's like a different connection to a person and get to understand them better too. So, yeah, I love that yeah so do you have any like funny stories or uh stories you can share of like some shoots? You've been on something crazy that may happen?

Speaker 2: 9:45

yeah, no, I was, I was thinking about that question, um, with like a real estate mindset at first, because you know I'm working with virtue and it's a real estate. But honestly, with real estate, nothing to I wish I had something crazy to wear, like I had to kick a squatter out, or, you know, police called the cost of me because they didn't know I was like in the house, but nothing crazy like that, okay. So I did have a shoot. That was pretty interesting was I was working with a production company here in town in Vegas. They're pretty big, um, but they had a client to where this was back when nfts was like super popular, okay, and it was this group of kids, um, I'm gonna say kids like maybe mid-20s, whatever, yeah, yeah, um, they had this idea to shoot nftTs of a blown up Lamborghini. So the whole concept was they would blow up this Lamborghini in the desert, collect all the parts of the Lamborghini and then auction off the NFT from those parts. So what we would do is grab those pieces and put it on.

Speaker 2: 10:49

It's called a lazy Susan where it'll just spin like this, yeah, and just just film it, and that was that was the nft and so there would be like engines, like car parts, um lights, everything from that number game piece was uh, to be made into an entity for them to oh wow, that's neat. That's really cool and from that idea they got that, because before they did the Lamborghini, they did a toilet a.

Speaker 2: 11:15

Blue, a toilet. They blew up a toilet. Nothing was in it Thankfully not, but apparently made them some. You know it was very popular, profitable for them. So they decided hey, if you could do a toilet, let's do a Lamborghini. You know how much more. So I'd say that's probably like the craziest.

Speaker 1: 11:33

Yeah, I've like that's crazy yeah, do you have any advice out there? Because I know you work with like a lot of agents and like, because now, like when I got in real estate 20 years, the big thing was prospect and make calls, and now I do videos on my phone all the time, I send it to folks, I do the pop stuff like that. But big thing now is, as you were talking about prior is video. So is there any somebody who's trying to break an industry? They see a lot of value in video, like any recommendations on how to get started or what you would focus on in the beginning yeah, no, uh, that's that's a great question.

Speaker 2: 12:06

Um, actually have it on my phone. It's a, because I understand the power of video and I need to do it. You know, practice, what practice, what I preach, right, when I tell the agents to get on video, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's like a message I have on here. It's just basically talk about beliefs, principles, lessons, frameworks and experience, okay, and then at the bottom it says make content only you can make. So I think to oh, that is just to really just kind of extract what you, what goes on to your like in your mind when you're at these, like open houses, or if you're on a, on a call, or just just like really make content that only you can like talk about, I guess. So that way it takes the pressure off of you know, trying to come up with something that you may not know too much about or you know stuff like that Makes sense.

Speaker 1: 13:04

Yeah, makes sense. Yeah, sometimes I have like an alter ego on like the show, like I kind of get into like the run of it you know, I'm crazy for the whole show.

Speaker 1: 13:10

Yeah, I've kind of wind down a little bit now after doing a year and a half but like I think for the beginning that was kind of a little bit easier to wrap my mind because I kept doing these shows all the time, or just being on video and showing a house or something and having fun with it versus yeah yeah, no, I agree, and that's good how you do that, because it builds that repetition to um, you know, run a bit like that whole.

Speaker 2: 13:32

It really does work, you know. Yeah, it gets into your mind. So it's like, how do you implement that while also being true to yourself? Yeah, you know, and there's like there's a lot of different ways that you know you can make your own um. You know, tagline or whatever it is to where you can like, pop a video up on instagram or something like oh, this is a so-and-so video. This is from john. You know, um, and the good thing is you don't have to be be anyone else, you know to do that, so for sure, yeah, so you have partnered with virtue real estate group and that's how we know each other, yep, um.

Speaker 1: 14:07

So I know darren's uh very big on your services, so and growing uh the brokerage. So if you could talk a little bit more about, if you're an agent at virtue, the services that you provide and your values so they can take advantage of this in the future, because you're really great at what you do. Thank you.

Speaker 2: 14:30

So basically, what I came to Virtue to help out with is the video side. We understood I mean, everyone knows that video is just very popular. It's not like a luxury anymore. It's not like a luxury anymore, it's almost like a necessity now.

Speaker 2: 14:44

So where I come into play is kind of help fill that video void, because a lot of agents we're finding out now is like paper marketing and brochure marketing is still there. It's still good, but a lot of them are looking for video work. And where I come into play is kind of help figure out what kind of video is like needed for that specific agent, because a listing video is not going to work for everybody, right, it's just like work. Maybe you don't have a listing yet, maybe you still work on your first deal, so, like, how would a listing video work for you, right? Um, and I think where I come into play is kind of just helping figure out what kind of video that we can um create for you. That will be like one good for your brand and two um everlasting, like evergreen, right, yeah, and a lot of that, a lot of the strategies that I'm thinking about, is just like really focusing on the storytelling side.

Speaker 1: 15:41

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 15:48

Because I feel like that really is evergreen. You know, whether that's talking about a just sold that you had, instead of focusing on the house itself, let's talk about how did that deal come together? You know, from start to finish, because I think that's what people can really connect to and that's what you engage with, right, when someone's telling a story from beginning to end, and I see you know like they feel connected with that person, which is what you want with video, right?

Speaker 2: 16:09

yeah um, don't get me wrong, like the house, I love shooting the houses. They're cool, it brings um interest right. It kind of it's like oh, it's like oh, this is a nice nice property, nice nice video, whatever. Um, it's very cool.

Speaker 1: 16:22

Um, but I think where people like to connect with is the actual agent or the story that they tell I agree, yeah, I've noticed, not that I'm some like big trending social media guy, but uh, I noticed, like with my own videos though, because I've tried like everything now and like the cool, awesome video of the house, like that's typically like the lowest like rated in terms of views, shares, like everybody's doing it and versus like you and I will collaborate on Instagram with a real, they'll probably at least you know that will have more engagement. Yeah, 10 times that. 10 times that, and I can guarantee that. So, with not as much effort, with not as much effort, right, and not as much money too, not as much money yeah, and I think that's interesting that's where they can really take advantage of that, you know they

Speaker 2: 17:06

don't, they don't need me there, um, filming, you know, at all times, because I what? But where I can like find value and sometimes giving them like ideas. Right, yeah, and a lot of ideas that I give them can be filmed on their phone and I think the main thing is just doing it. Yes, you know, because it's simple but it's not easy. Yeah, right, filming your phone, doing like this, very, very simple to do, but just the act of taking your phone out, thinking about what to say, it is a process, you know.

Speaker 2: 17:35

You have to really think, you want to see how you look on camera, you want to make sure you communicate clearly. There's a lot of things. Like I said, it's not easy, but it's really as simple as just like here I'm at this open house Today. It's super hot outside but we have two people come in. One of them might be a lead. We'll see, we'll follow up and let's keep up with kind kind of like follow that journey, like what does that look like as an agent? You know, and just doing that right there just shows, um, the personality of that person. You know the agent that's doing that.

Speaker 1: 18:10

So I agree with that, because I started doing that too and my engagement went like through the roof and if you go live to it like quadruple, like it's crazy when you go live as well. But yeah, it's just a simple video or like I'll tell, like a lot of our team Agents, it's like send a video text. You know, if you can't get somebody send a video text, yeah, and then people will be like I've never received that before, something that's different. It stands out. Yeah, you might get spam once in a while, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 18:38

Prospecting. You got to do it, but it's a lot harder.

Speaker 1: 18:41

When I got in the business 20 years ago, people picked up their phones and now it's probably people pick up their phones about half as you know, as much as they do now. So and texts are just. I don't know about you, but I get at least 100 texts a day so I don't remember. I'll text my best friend something and I won't remember five minutes later what I if I did I text them or not. Yeah, so that video is big because you'll remember that exactly. Or if you can't go on the phone conversation, you'll remember conversations, but you gotta figure out different ways to connect yeah, exactly, I think remembering is the biggest part.

Speaker 2: 19:14

Yeah, people were. People forget details, but they remember how you made them feel right yeah, so when they click on that video. Um, it's just gonna be a lot easier to like be remembered. You know, like, whether it was like your crazy hair that you had or, um, I don't know, whatever it is about that video. You're talking about my hair. I'm talking about like in general. You know, I get a lot of comments that's some good, that's some good hair right there, man.

Speaker 1: 19:37

That's that look. Is that sarcasm, or it's?

Speaker 2: 19:40

not. No, it's because I woke up today and I was talking to my girlfriend about this and she's like, oh, you should go in like that. I was like what? I go in the mirror and I'm looking and her hair is all crazy. Oh all right, I'll do it. They'll remember that for sure.

Speaker 1: 19:55

Well, so you've been in Vegas for a while, so tell me more about you know, for being this long this year, the changes that you have seen and you know the culture. Like what are your thoughts gonna be being born and raised? Yeah, I mean, like, what are your thoughts about las vegas now? It's like it's I know, just being here 17 years it feels like a completely different city, but I imagine from your eyes it's yeah, I mean, obvious answer is like it's, we're like a sports city now.

Speaker 2: 20:22

Yeah, that's definitely like the biggest, biggest change. Um, outside of that, uh, I try, I don't know, like I, I really just try to stay in in my bubble. Um, I used to work at win las vegas on the strip, so I would see, like, um, just like what I guess what the market is like looking for in terms of, like, hospitality, and sports is at the forefront, and then also food. I think our food culture here is really blowing up with, um, I'm a huge foodie. Okay, cool, I try, I'm a self-proclaimed, self-proclaimed foodie and I guess that just means I like to eat different things.

Speaker 1: 21:00

So, yeah, but yeah, I'll say, outside of the sports, definitely like the restaurants and everything that we have food wise out here has definitely blown up and it's actually probably kept me here to be honest with you really okay, oh, yeah, I love to eat, so what are give me, like your top restaurants, top restaurants, yeah, yeah, man, okay, first one's got over your head. I'm not a foodie, oh, so I need the info.

Speaker 2: 21:24

I have a lot of foodie friends, though, so I'm always like curious if I, if I had a friend that come came from out of town and I would take him to one spot for one dish it'd probably be oyster bar at palace station for the uh, the pan roast. Oh yeah, pan roast. You don't even have to like see if you like that, but the pan roast is just like I don't know. That's what I would take them to try. And then, when it comes to dessert sorry, not sorry ice cream is pretty good.

Speaker 1: 21:50

Okay.

Speaker 2: 21:50

Yeah, I'm not like. I don't really like ice cream like that. It hurts my teeth, but when I do get ice cream, it's going to be from.

Speaker 1: 22:03

But yeah, I could go on and on with like different types of spots. Well, I'm gonna get a list because I need these. So you also served in the Air Force. Thank you for your service, Of course, Can we hear a little bit more? You know about your experience.

Speaker 2: 22:12

You were telling me before the pod, but if you feel comfortable sharing that, yeah, no, no worries, of course it was a huge part of my life, as I mentioned earlier, um. So I joined the uh air force reserves uh over here at in vegas. So I was basically working out of nellis air force base um once a month I would go down there, um, and then, like out of the whole year, we would have like a two-week training to where we would like go somewhere or maybe just stay on base. So, okay, it was more so like part-time um.

Speaker 2: 22:39

I did have one deployment, uh over to afghanistan during my time there, um, and it was one of those things that, like, I'm happy I did it, um, but I'm also happy that I'm like out. Yeah, you know, um, I made some really good like friendships there. You know that brotherhood thing is real, it's a real thing and, um, that's probably one of the most valuable things I would take from going there is, you know, the relationships that I made over there. And then also, like the uh, the discipline that they kind of like instilled in you interesting being in there um and I.

Speaker 2: 23:15

The main reason why I joined was pretty much I was a 24 year old kid. You know, they really know what I was. I thought I wanted to work in the hospitality industry.

Speaker 2: 23:23

Yeah then I figured out that Restaurant business it wasn't just for me, you know, you have to have some type of level of craziness to want to do that full-time and I was just like, let me, just let me try this Air Force thing, you know. So I joined up, became a lecture, electrical journeyman, okay, because I thought that skill could kind of translate into the civilian world. Yeah, learned that I didn't like electrical like that, you know, so got out and just kind of went all in on on video.

Speaker 1: 23:55

So excellent, yeah. So yeah, you said you learned discipline. Was there any other tools that kind of helped you with going to? Yeah?

Speaker 2: 24:05

I think just learning how to. There's like a term in the military, it's called embrace the suck Okay. So it's like when the times that you go through just crappy moments, where it just feels like what the heck you know, you have to embrace it because that's the only way you're going to get through it. Because if you just are in angry or dreading it or are just like in a bad spot, like what's going to help being in that same bad spot mentally, you know so you really have to like almost trick yourself into finding the silver, outlining it, you know, because, um, otherwise you just got me miserable, you know there

Speaker 2: 24:43

was a lot of suck and you know a lot of like crappy moments in the military. So it's just like how do you deal with it? You know so and I think that, translated into, uh, the civilian world with, um, you know, with work and just dealing with, uh, different people, um situations, it's just like, okay, this, this sucks, but how are we gonna make it better? Right, how can we look at it? Because it's like made me feel good just being, you know, in a crappy mood.

Speaker 2: 25:09

It's not gonna be good for anybody right so you really have to like, figure out a way to, um, just make it better for everybody and for yourself.

Speaker 1: 25:16

Interesting yeah one of the biggest things I've ever got out of this podcast number one lesson I've learned um from my guest is either they were a former athlete or military, and exactly what you just said is going through the discipline of keep doing it every day, embracing the suck or whatever term they would use.

Speaker 1: 25:36

Too right, I played football, so being consistent and getting the crap kicked out of you every single day and still show up the next day. Because I agree with you, because I feel like once you're especially running a business, you get 20 years later I still get beat up. Oh yeah, you know the market's up down, whatever, but it's like you continue to show up because if you don't like, I truly believe it's like the universe is going to keep bringing those lessons and if you realize how to grow through them or you know, they're just going to keep popping up 100%.

Speaker 1: 26:08

Yeah, and.

Speaker 2: 26:09

I think your last guess of this.

Speaker 2: 26:10

But no, it's never a loss, it's always a lesson yes once you realize that like you'll be okay because you won't feel like a failure. You know, if you, if you really feel like that when something like you know gets you on the ground or something you don't expect, and you're like dang, like I didn't get that job or I didn't, you know, this relationship didn't work out, like, instead of like thinking of it as negative, like really like it's easier said than done. Right, I really tried to figure out, you know, what could you have learned from that, so that way you don't feel like that again. You know, and I feel like that's the, the best way to kind of learn is through like experience absolutely, I think it's like you said too.

Speaker 1: 26:51

It's like the silver lining and painting. It's like what story are you telling yourself, you know, are you a victim? Or, like you said, am I learning? Or what's the win? Whatever it is.

Speaker 2: 27:02

But it's you gotta like, sometimes you gotta trick yourself oh yeah, you gotta like you have to this doesn't make any sense, but I gotta keep, you know, keep growing, or learning or moving forward. So yeah, and eventually you'll get over it. You know you'll like you'll be actually learning, yeah yeah, for sure.

Speaker 1: 27:16

Well, good advice, I got three more minutes with you, so besides all that. So what? What does mark do when he's not doing videos? I mean, what do you do for fun?

Speaker 2: 27:27

for fun. Okay, two things of pickleball and DJing. Gee, I didn't know this. Yeah, well, I love to DJ. Okay, cool, yeah, I do it for you know, for fun. Whenever people invite me to their house parties to DJ, for you invited my house party, happily DJ. I don't have a big house, that's gonna be a tight party, that's fine, it'll be a party, yeah. So yeah, just like another creative outlet. You know, because I enjoy doing video and editing so much that I really had to take myself out from doing it when I'm not working. Otherwise, I don't want to lose that creative. You know burnout, I don't want to burn out from video. So I was like, oh, what's the next thing? Like from from video. So I was like, oh, what's the next thing? Like I love music and uh, so djing was just like a natural. You know transition. Well, you know couple compliments, that's great, yeah that's fun.

Speaker 1: 28:16

Yeah, can you enjoy pickleball? Do you do like tournaments?

Speaker 2: 28:20

no, I'm not that good.

Speaker 1: 28:21

No, I'm not that good no, no, no, you look atlantic, though I don't know. No, I'm not that good no, I just play for fun. All right, cool, I'll play with you then. Yeah, let's play with you then I don't play, I don't play.

Speaker 2: 28:30

Yeah, it's a good sport, to where you know, because I used to play basketball for fun and I feel like it's less dangerous. Yeah, and you know, I'm not. I'm young, but I'm not like getting younger.

Speaker 1: 28:42

So now I have to figure out ways to Well, I used to play all the sports back in the day, okay. And then I think I was like late 20s, early 30s and I played basketball like pickup, and I'm like I used to be a really good athlete back in the day and I went on the court with some youngins and I'm like that's when you realize, yeah, yeah. And then, like I was certain for like a week and this is like my early 30s, right, and I'm 43 now I'm like I'm not doing that because my brother would play basketball, my cousin I'm close to, and they were always injured, yeah, you know. So I'm like this doesn't really make a lot of sense anymore.

Speaker 2: 29:16

Yeah, can't afford to be injured. No, yeah, it's going to happen, but it might happen. But you know, like, yeah, whatever I can do to minimize it, I mean I'll shoot around sometimes, you know, I'll try to play, but play.

Speaker 1: 29:25

But I couldn't shoot for anything. No, I was good at defense, rebounding there you go.

Speaker 2: 29:29

Hey, blocks underrated, underrated, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 29:33

Yeah uh, so you went to edc this year. How was that oh?

Speaker 2: 29:37

it was. If you've never been, have you been to edc? No, are you okay? It's uh. It's like kind of uh it's overwhelming it seems like it's very overwhelming, yeah, but once you get past the overwhelm, it's the best time you could have if you're into the you know kind of scene. It's not. It's very overwhelming, yeah, but once you get past the overwhelm, it's the best time you could have if you're into the you know kind of scene.

Speaker 1: 29:52

It's not. It's not like we're just one song for like 12 hours straight. That's what I thought, I thought so funny story is.

Speaker 2: 29:58

I know we got like short on time, but yeah I used to. I did security for edc back when I was in the military and that's really literally what I thought it was just one song. The whole time I'm like what is this, you know? And then I got into the scene and now I get it.

Speaker 1: 30:09

So now, yeah but my wife's into that music. But someday I'll get it. But one day I'll get you.

Speaker 2: 30:14

Yeah, I'll take some mixes.

Speaker 1: 30:16

All right, cool, yeah, all right brother. Hey, thank you for being on. If you guys are looking to do some video of your agent out there, hit this man up mark. Appreciate you guys running vegas, take care of yourselves today.