Speaker 1: 0:14

Hey guys, it's John McNamara, host of Running Vegas. We're talking local sports, business, real estate. If you guys like what you see, subscribe, follow us on Running Vegas Podcast. If you guys like what you see, subscribe, follow us on our Vegas podcast. Today we got a special guest, haley Paris, in the house. What, what? Marketing coordinator of Virtue Real Estate Group.

Speaker 2: 0:37

Hi, welcome to the pod. Thank you very much. So let's hear about you. What's your story? Where?

Speaker 1: 0:41

are you from Awesome? Uh, let's hear about you. What's your story where you're from Awesome?

Speaker 2: 0:46

Well, um, I'm originally from Reno, so, uh, being out in Vegas, now I am what Reno we were just talking about call as a defector. So I've made my way to Vegas and now I do consider myself a Vegas local.

Speaker 1: 1:02

I've been here over 10 years, so I assume that it makes me a local. I've been local, I've been here for 17, so I'll pass. Okay, as long as somebody gives me the right of passage right, that's usually how it works Not a true local myself, but I'll give you the right.

Speaker 2: 1:12

But I came out here from for college pretty much and been here ever since. So I'm a UNLV alumni. I graduated with a journalism and media studies degree, which is a very large parent of what I do, but it is. You know, marketing at its core is what I do and kind of wear a lot of hats, and so I've been out here kind of jumping from business to business and figuring out where I fit into marketing and real estate's been what's stuck for the last like six years.

Speaker 1: 1:41

Cool. Well, I knew I liked you cuz you went to. You know they yeah, I'm sure you got the hit with the run in Vegas podcast today.

Speaker 2: 1:51

I know I saw those that I obviously had to be on cuz yeah, the second, you know the whole time.

Speaker 1: 1:57

Yeah, but yeah. So how'd you get got into marketing for real estate? That's really interesting, so tell me a little bit how that happened. And now you're with Virtue Real Estate Group. We're super excited to have you on. You've just been a great. So far. It's only been two months, but it's cool to see somebody in the office at 8 am as well to say hi to you needed an early morning buddy. That's why they got me on.

Speaker 2: 2:21

It can get lonely in there, yeah, so yeah, I'll let you know I did not actually choose to go into real estate. It kind of just my path ended up there. I actually went to UNLV to be an interior architecture major. Oh, wow, so a little bit in the housing space. Really loved design, really loved working in high school with a local interior design firm, and so that's what got me out here to Vegas is looking for an accredited interior design program and UNLV has one of the best. So it was kind of an obvious choice. Plus, you know, in-state you can't go wrong with in-state.

Speaker 2: 2:54

So that's what brought me out. Plus, I've played volleyball all my life, and so I was also looking for a volleyball program that I could be a part of, and UNLV had a really fabulous D1 program, which I still do, but I didn't end up walking on. That first year I ended up being a manager for the UNLV volleyball team. Oh cool, and I really enjoyed that. But you know, just like college, it's your first time on your own, first time living out of the city. I grew up in no friends, getting used to the people I met, so I was trying to figure out where I wanted to go with the career and I just ended up deciding to make a change when I realized I was never going to pass physics.

Speaker 2: 3:35

So I shifted and said that probably a marketing degree, since I'm really big creative and I love social media and we're still in, you know, the age of social media where it's growing, and I was like you know what I could probably still be an interior design, working with companies and businesses or people in that space. And so I shifted and right away I worked with Deborah little and she does interior design and light design and so I kind of got the feel finally, eventually, after testing it out in food and beverage. And so I kind of got the feel finally and eventually, after testing it out in food and beverage, once I graduated college and getting time in the the field, I went into real estate, kind of just looking for a change, when I wasn't a fan of doing food and bev wasn't interested in retail anymore. Doing marketing for retail. It's all a different ball game, um, and so is real estate.

Speaker 2: 4:24

So yeah, oh, yeah, so yeah coming from virtue before virtue I guess I was with coldwell banker premier realty out here and definitely like the ideal experience for me to get to be able to come to virtue and do what I'm doing now. So I'm very excited and glad that I had that experience four years there, a bit of a larger company, but with that in mind it makes it easy to see the potential and the opportunity that I know Darren's really setting up with Virtue for us to grow. So it's going to be really exciting for what's coming in the future. But I'm so glad I had that experience and now being in real estate, I also just I enjoy the time I get with agents doing things like this or being in person and getting to have just I enjoy the time I get with agents doing things like this or being in person and getting to have those face-to-face conversations and hopefully your businesses are doing well because of it.

Speaker 1: 5:12

You're definitely helping, so we appreciate it.

Speaker 2: 5:15

So we have a similar story.

Speaker 1: 5:17

Did not know this, so I'm originally from upstate New York. I moved out here 17 years ago and myself worked for Kobo Bank banker for about two years stop it out here I know, bob, he's great.

Speaker 2: 5:33

Same with molly, both that oh molly taught me a lot.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Molly is a legit broker in town. Yeah, she is, because I came out here. We came from a state where it was lawyers, so the contract just went to lawyer, didn't have to worry about here. We're not lawyers, but we're like we practice law. Like we don't practice law, but we basically are doing law. So I learned a lot from her with contracts and everything and she actually made me a really good agent.

Speaker 2: 6:01

So I do appreciate Molly a lot, I would agree, and kind of what we've talked about with Virtue is growing into the commercial space and she's one of the best that I know in commercial real estate and knows it top to toe, you know, so couldn't have learned from anyone better. And she's a wonderful woman in business and I'm a woman in business and I need a model and an idol and she's fabulous Good mentor.

Speaker 1: 6:25

Yeah, she was definitely my real estate corporate mentor in that sense. So, yeah, so that's cool.

Speaker 2: 6:32

Love that for us. Yeah, I do too. What else do we have in common? So many things.

Speaker 1: 6:37

So how was like the culture shift from like Reno to Vegas Like, and do you still like Vegas Like? Tell me more about that.

Speaker 2: 6:44

Ooh, I have a love hate relationship with Vegas, I feel like you know, because there are two different experiences to come from Reno being a little bit more small town and knowing pretty much that you would run into anybody anywhere you go. But I hear that a lot out here that Vegas is so small town. You hear you run into people all the time. I don't run into anyone, I know I don't. It still seems like a huge place and there's still so much for me to explore. So I love that about vegas.

Speaker 2: 7:18

I could go 365 days and do something new all the time and I haven't done all that yet, so I still have so much more to explore about vegas, but it is a really great seasonal place in in reno and get some seasons here. I wouldn't say the full extent of what I'm talking about. I love snow. Okay, you can't get the snow, you get in reno out here oh no so you got to go find it, you got to go to utah and dry and head or you got to go back up to reno.

Speaker 2: 7:42

But they are two different in the sense that one feels small town to me and one feels big and rich with opportunity, and that's why I came here and that's why I stayed here yeah but you know, I'd love to go to seattle someday yeah, that, that's more my vibe.

Speaker 1: 7:57

It's clouds and the rain.

Speaker 2: 7:58

I love clouds, rain, clouds, rain, snow, gloomy weather.

Speaker 1: 8:02

I want that 100 of the time, not 300 days of sun well, I was kind of same way because upstate new york is very much a reno. I think reno is more progressive. There's a lot of money from the bay coming through yeah that my parents are from the bay area.

Speaker 1: 8:16

They made the shift to reno for those reasons everyone comes to nevada in general but you guys have tahoe, we have lake george. Reno reminds me, and it's funny, when I was like I could not wait to leave upstate new york, like that place was just, but now, like I'm older and I go to reno, I'm like I love reno yeah, reno is. Like why does everybody complain about Reno being an adult?

Speaker 2: 8:36

will do that to you I will say the same thing. Yeah, now I'm in my 40s, so I said I'll never go back now that I'm older, I'm like, oh, I really see the benefits of the richness of being like retirees or growing a family here. It is a fabulous place. It's different, right.

Speaker 1: 8:50

Yeah, much opportunity. There's so much money coming here and I agree with you too, because I'm the same like. I'm like very introverted, I'm analytical, I don't know why. I'm in sales like crazy on my end but I'm the same way.

Speaker 1: 9:04

I don't see a lot of people out. The one guy I see everywhere I don't know this happens to you is darren. I see darren like once a month. It's john. I'm like how does this guy know where I'm at, like every time? But I think I'm not looking for it. And that's how Darren is really good. He's good with people. He's looking like. So I guess it's kind of how you put it out there.

Speaker 2: 9:23

That seems like a Darren thing, though. He is all over the place and you're probably likely to run into him but, I stay in my corner of Vegas Cause I you know, working. We're in kind of the Summerlin area with a virtue office, but I'm over in Henderson in Cadence, so I don't run into people I work with, which is actually kind of nice, but it is a it is different in Henderson and then it is in Summerlin and there's different activities.

Speaker 1: 9:48

So where do you go to have some fun?

Speaker 2: 9:49

You go to Water Street. Actually, not as often as most people would recommend. I haven't been there as often, but I actually go more out to Boulder city oh. I love Boulder, like that little main street area and my, my family actually my cousin recently moved out there, so we've we've been out there more times than not and I also love the even smaller town feel, which is so funny. Saying I didn't want to be in a small town like Reno, Boulder takes that to the next level.

Speaker 1: 10:14

I like Boulder a lot and I love what they've done with. I think like maybe my water city. Water city is like street city. It's probably like your Boulder right when you kind of want to get away. But I love. It's just kind of far from me, but I really enjoy what they've done, because 15 years ago they didn't have it Water street, then you know it's great to see these little downtown areas develop bars and restaurants, so that's cool. I love that area.

Speaker 2: 10:38

It's really great for community events. Tons of bar crawls out there, but it's a different bar crawl than going to the bar crawls downtown and you know, by the strip.

Speaker 1: 10:46

So, it's.

Speaker 2: 10:47

Yeah, I enjoy going to Boulder, but for fun. You know, weekends I'm mostly like with my husband and my dog hanging out at home, otherwise we go golfing. Oh yeah, that was our. You know, we got engaged, let's do something as a couple thing. We learned to play golf and we've been golfing now for two and a half three years.

Speaker 1: 11:06

Really enjoy it. What's your handicap?

Speaker 2: 11:09

Don't ask. It's not great, no one said in two or three years you become a pro. It's not great. No one said in two or three years you become a pro, but I'm just getting you going. I'm a terrible golfer. You would destroy me. I you know I sound like we gotta go golfing with you guys sometimes I'm considering tournaments. That's where I'm at is considering joining tournaments I do nine holes and corona lights that's my favorite type of golf.

Speaker 1: 11:32

Yeah, really, though, yeah my buddy the other day did 36. I I'm like you're nuts, like I think my ADH is just too insane, like the 12th hole. I'm over it, like I don't care about the last six.

Speaker 2: 11:43

That's a good point. You're also beating in sweat and getting burnt at the same time and deciding that by the 14th hole. Is those last four holes going to make a difference in your overall score?

Speaker 1: 11:53

probably not just walk away while you have time. I just go for one good shot of the day that I can hang my hat and tell everybody about it I'm really proud of my golf game.

Speaker 2: 12:01

We've gotten really good from where we started we used to film and everything, so you can see top golf level, like playing for fun golf styles, to now playing on a course and actually making it go down the fairway.

Speaker 1: 12:15

Awesome. You know who's a really good golfer, chris.

Speaker 2: 12:20

Really Yep Okay.

Speaker 1: 12:22

He's my brother.

Speaker 2: 12:23

No, he's not he is my brother, yeah. Stop.

Speaker 1: 12:28

Yeah, he's a really good golfer. He teaches me all the time and then I don't play for a year and I suck again.

Speaker 2: 12:33

And he has to teach you again and you might be better.

Speaker 1: 12:34

He's actually a really good golfer and he gets good lessons. So just a thought, Because he likes to teach. Obviously, he's a coach in real life.

Speaker 2: 12:40

I was going to say he's a really good golfer and a good guy. Might as well take him up on getting coached in golfing, yeah.

Speaker 1: 12:50

Tell him, I sent you Awesome.

Speaker 2: 12:52

All right.

Speaker 1: 12:53

Well, let's get back to real estate marketing. So, like what have been like your growth moments and your challenges over the last year, Well being with Coldwell Banker before coming here.

Speaker 2: 13:04

since I've only been here a little over a month typically with Coldwell Banker I think some of my biggest growth moments. Just in 2024, they awarded me the Leadership Member of the Year award, which was really awesome to get that recognition after four years of really putting in work, kind of as a design horse almost, in which you really are busting out a ton of marketing at a large scale, since they've got 250 agents now it's not doing marketing for all 250 agents, but it is a really big group and it's all different strategies and everybody has a different style and you're really just trying to accommodate as best as you can. So I got a lot of practice in doing that and working with agents and just being able to guide them on that process, and so that got me to getting this award, which I thought was awesome.

Speaker 1: 13:50

Congrats.

Speaker 2: 13:51

Thank you, and you know and that just makes me feel good that what I'm doing, whether I see it or not, is having an effect on agents, and I really enjoy that aspect. In terms of challenges, man, you agents are a beast in general because you all are go-getters and you need things so fast, and so it's working on delivering quality at the fastest rate you possibly can.

Speaker 1: 14:13

So here's a good question for you. How is it really dealing with agents? Give us the be honest.

Speaker 2: 14:20

Hot take, not me though.

Speaker 1: 14:21

No, I'm good, I'm easy to work with.

Speaker 2: 14:23

Hot take Agents are brutal. No surprise it takes some seriously hard skin to not take anything personal. They're like it's not anything, I just need it now. And you're like okay. I could do that right now.

Speaker 1: 14:40

I'll drop everything and do it right now Right, or you don't have other things to do. We're a rough group, so we appreciate you putting up with us.

Speaker 2: 14:47

But you're also.

Speaker 2: 14:48

So I would say most agents are also really appreciative because they realize how much it helps. After the fact, they're so stressed about doing it, which is where all the frustration comes from, anyways towards not us per se but we feel that frustration that they don't understand how to implement marketing and they need somebody even just to do it for them or to hold their hand and guide them. That's usually where I'm finding most agents struggle and then they see me set something up or teach it to them and it becomes a lot less daunting. Oh, it wasn't as hard as I thought it was and, like you're right, it's really not. It's just time and planning. Half the time it's. All it takes is extra time to plan to do something in marketing, whether that's the digital presence that you have on social media or what you put out in ad campaigns, or it's what you actually put down for every single listing in print marketing and getting it in front of the right viewers. It just seems like a lot, but when somebody helps you, it doesn't seem as daunting.

Speaker 1: 15:49

Yeah, well, one thing I really appreciate you're very inviting Whenever I come in. You're very professional. You come to me on things too. So I can't tell you like how I've never seen this before, because a lot of people do not have a lot of like creatives, don't understand that. And it's such an important part of the process Cause then if I'm comfortable with you, then like I'll walk into your office maybe once a week, right, and ask you a question or something, cause I feel, yeah, but if I'm getting the eye rolls, since I walked in you have never done this, but with creatives it can be a little challenging, you know. So I'm impressed. It's only been two months, but I'm impressed because you got great energy, a big smile, you're very welcoming. You made effort to talk to us, where usually that door is closed and we don't. Your door's always open for the most part.

Speaker 1: 16:36

So I I really appreciate that, because that's, that's, uh, that's, you're very professional.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Oh, thank you very much. No, uh, customer service to me is part of the business. I can't be of assistance if I can't get to know you and you don't feel comfortable to ask me. And then you come to me like, well, I didn what I needed, so we lost the property and I was like, oh well, why could have come to me at any point? I want it to feel like it's easy for you to feel comfortable, as I assume you expect that for your clients working with you is. They should just feel comfortable to ask even some questions that they may feel like are stupid questions. Nothing's a stupid question, it's just you don't know it yet or you're not confident yet. Um, my door's only closed because I'm on meetings, doing things with other people that aren't in office. Otherwise it's open to everyone who's in office it is.

Speaker 1: 17:24

I'm impressed. So your virtue two months. So what are so far? What's your impression in virtue, what are your goals within the company and what are the service, because we have a lot of Virtue agents that watch the show like if you're an agent out here. What are the service you offer and what you can help them here in the future?

Speaker 2: 17:44

Yeah, first impressions on Virtue. It is big business mindset. I love the opportunity that Virtue has set up, or at least that Darren and Susan have set up for Virtue as well. They're really embracing video tech savviness and being innovative with all things real estate, not just in how you do real estate as an agent, but how we market it and how we present the company. And I feel and I'm sure you've seen it real estate's always kind of been the same and how we say this is just listed and there are certain things you expect out of just listed.

Speaker 2: 18:22

Well, with the additive that is social media and the online presence, now for sure you can change how we describe properties, how we tell stories about it and listening to Susan and Darren talk about what they see the brand going.

Speaker 2: 18:38

It is about being innovative and I love working with other creatives like videographers and our virtual assistants online that are thinking that way too, because sometimes you get people and we have a lot of people in real estate or have been in the business for 20 plus years and you're so confident and doing things the way you've been doing things because it don't break what's not broken, right, but you're gonna get washed out by the new people who are doing the new things and the new generations that are shifting the way that we we see properties, we see marketing, the way that we see the buyer-seller journey. Gen Z is one of the generations right now that are making decisions for the whole world. They're the most vocal about it and if you can't jump on that and capitalize essentially on what they're changing about buyer decisions and how people are utilizing or viewing companies, then you will get taken out by somebody else who's willing to step up and do that. So it's really great to see Virtue being part of that first step and being innovative, changing the real estate game.

Speaker 1: 19:46

Yeah, I like that too. I'm so glad you brought that up too, because it's so, you're right, because there's just like the. I'm at 9212 Main Street. Look at the house Like it's just a boring video, right. So you really need to be innovative and mix it up and what's working. And, yeah, the younger generation uh, when I got in the business, like it was cool to be a prospector, it sounds cool. Now, now everybody's like everybody's Instagram and everybody's a luxury real estate agent on.

Speaker 1: 20:12

Instagram. That's true or not. But yeah, you really got to mix it up and, like you know what's kind of trending, what's cool, get eyes. Because I've, I've done like the traditional video and they they really don't even work anymore. Like I get less views. If I do a video on my phone, put it out there, I'll have a thousand views. If I do like a pay $500 on a traditional awesome, cool Vegas, I'll get like 15 views. So you gotta like. You gotta like you say you gotta be innovative, you gotta mix it up, yeah.

Speaker 2: 20:40

It's still about consistency too. I think that's the other thing. The biggest mistake that most agents fall into is not being consistent. Even if that is what you offer your clients every time and saying I do this every single time, without a doubt, you wouldn't question it, you can go to every one of my past clients and say, yeah, he said what he was going to do and he did it for me. You're like great, he did it for me too. It's the repetitive nature of doing that with the listing and then doing it again on social media consistently, even if that's just showing up.

Speaker 1: 21:10

Yeah, you know, being a presence on social media more than anything, I totally agree with that, because I think, uh well, I used to do this. Now I just like like I could have the worst video that I I put on my story. It's like, whatever just you just do. Yeah, you get in that mode every single day to make the video or the post, whatever it is, and having a schedule for it yeah I think that's the biggest thing for me.

Speaker 1: 21:31

That was a game changer, because to think of what I'm gonna put on, I'm gonna leave that, and then another day goes by and then a year goes by, right.

Speaker 2: 21:39

So good intentions yeah.

Speaker 1: 21:41

So that's one thing I recommend is having a schedule. Go to her to get it, but have the schedule ready to go, because then it's just you don't think, you just put it on.

Speaker 2: 21:50

Agreed.

Speaker 2: 21:50

It's part of the planning process. You just have to plan ahead and if you can even take an hour to batch content, an hour to set a plan plan, it's better than waiting to do it that day and being reactive and then be like it's too much work. Now I have to do this every day. Well, technically, no, not a few plans. You wouldn't have to do it every day. Yeah, yeah, but I know we talked about big future plans. I mean, virtue is gonna. Obviously it's to grow, but it's to grow into other branches more closely aligned with where we're headed right now is, first off is property management. A lot of the clients that we work with Are we breaking news right?

Speaker 2: 22:26

now? No, that was obviously coming. That was coming. But property management, to get that going or to get a commercial branch going, because we're missing parts of the business and that the clients we already work with have their hands in as well, and we want to be a full service brokerage and that they don't have to leave and go somewhere else, not have the right expertise.

Speaker 2: 22:46

We're going to bring the experts to us that belong in these branches of the virtue arm and hopefully grow very quickly. That way I mean. But they've already done so much in two years.

Speaker 1: 22:57

I just can't fath, yeah, how quickly it'll come along. Yeah, that's the logistics is another thing yeah, of course, as always that's what I do definitely like about darren, as he thinks big and he, I think he's always going to need that next project, which, because I'm exactly the same way in that sense, I probably I do not think as big as darren. That's why he's my mentor to help me think bigger, but I need that too.

Speaker 2: 23:21

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 23:21

So I get how that guy is wired. But it's fun for us because we kind of come around for the ride a little bit, yeah, and we get to kind of be a part of that and help it grow. Yeah so that's the cool thing about it, because there's just all these brokerages. They're just so stagnant and they're not doing anything.

Speaker 2: 23:37

They have to reinvent the wheel they're especially larger uh brokerages that are well established. They have to reinvent themselves to be seen differently than what everyone knows them, as we're in a good place to create a new image. For, for virtue and darren and I joke all the time, not joke because he's legitimately serious about making sure I have a whiteboard in my office just dedicated to his ideas just so we could come in every day and write down.

Speaker 2: 24:02

These are the things we need to add to the plan at some point, that's okay, I look at the ideas as inspiration and be like one day.

Speaker 1: 24:17

I'm excited yeah, and you're right too, because I mean I've worked for all the big ones Berkskshire, colwell, keller but they do kind of get into this mode of who they are and they kind of just stay there in ways. I'm not just talking about local, but also nationally. Yeah, so it's.

Speaker 1: 24:31

And it has to trickle its way down and it's a lot harder to start when they're up up yeah, and I don't want to put words in darren's mouth, but I think that's another reason why he didn't do a franchise and did his own thing because he wants to be innovative, he wants to grow. Yeah, he doesn't want to get stuck in. You know, we're this company and we do it this way, and because that's where and you're seeing a lot of those big brand real estate companies shrinking less sales, less agents and people are moving to more of the boutique companies absolutely

Speaker 2: 24:58

yeah it's also more personalized attention.

Speaker 1: 25:01

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:02

It's a big box brand Like you. Just you get lost in the mix of things. But as a boutique brokerage you get more hands-on support and just kind of bringing me on as well, Instead of just being virtual, which you can do my position virtually, absolutely. But there is something to be said about being on site and having this time in the office, seeing the real problems or challenges, seeing the opportunities and then being able to work directly with the agent so that they feel seen and they get that hands on, one on one support. Otherwise you are a figment of their imagination and they don't feel that they're getting the support they need, and that's typical to some of the larger brokerages.

Speaker 1: 25:43

it's yeah it's just not within their means to be so dedicated yeah no, it's okay and I I love that you said like being the office. That applies for agents as well, because there's such a big difference, because I love you, because every time I see you're like you're doing yourself in.

Speaker 2: 25:58

I'm so focused, You're doing your stuff and I'm like all right, Like we're all working, Like I get pumped up about that stuff, but you don't see a lot of that, especially real estate agents.

Speaker 1: 26:07

Yeah, Everybody in a there was a big shift pandemic. Everybody started working at home. Yeah, but there is a difference of working in the office to work and then get your stuff done and then go home enjoy your family, whatever it looks like, or go have fun. But it's tough to work from home. There's too many distractions.

Speaker 2: 26:26

A hundred percent. My dog is the biggest distraction for me at home. A hundred percent, or the fact that I could do laundry while I'm there. Doing laundry takes away from all the other work I've got to do. But yeah, I agree, agents being in the office, it is about dedicated that time when you're there. Otherwise, your home is your safe space. You don't treat it like an office. You don't have the same mentality you do when you are surrounded by other people also.

Speaker 1: 26:53

For sure.

Speaker 2: 26:53

Heads down doing work.

Speaker 1: 26:55

Yeah, and you just see on the production board, usually the producing agents are typically the ones that are in the office.

Speaker 2: 27:02

I'd agree with that.

Speaker 1: 27:03

So what gets your creative juices flowing? What do you do to get every day? Because you're a grinder, so how do you stay inspired?

Speaker 2: 27:15

I go through roller coasters in this field quite a bit, having the excitement and the highs of all this creativity and then those periods of lows where you're like I'm being drained of that creativity. Oh, and a lot of the times it's because you don't want to spend time in social media. If I spend all day in social media, if I spend all day in my email, that's the last thing I want to do when I go home. However, that is where I do find my inspiration is watching other brands and other people on social media.

Speaker 1: 27:45

So I am a victim of the doom scroll pretty regularly pretty regularly.

Speaker 2: 27:47

Those cat videos are amazing yeah, the AI bunnies just got me. You know it's. It's one of those things the dog podcast.

Speaker 1: 27:53

I can't help it. I love it. I don't know I can't help it, but that love it. I don't know, I can't help it.

Speaker 2: 27:58

But that and then, um, my husband is also a graphic designer, so we're both in the creative field and we kind of always just get to talk about it all day long. Did you see the ad for this person? What do you think? And we can break it down and talk about it. Or when we are, literally when we're eating at a restaurant, everything does is like this menu could be so improved. Look at the way that they did this at Popeye's. Popeye's just did a full rebrand and we drove by it and said, oh, look at this rebrand, and we spent like the next hour talking about it and it made me think about the littlest things of changing of a font, changing of colors. This is just can change the whole business. And now I don't really eat Popeyes, but when.

Speaker 2: 28:40

I go and look at them, like now I feel more enticed to, just because they made a change. So it's in everyday life which is often for us is we're out about shopping more than anything. So we are looking at current brands and out out there or doom-scrolling yeah, you see the world differently, right?

Speaker 1: 28:58

So yeah, yeah, that's me, I mean not everybody's that way where they want to spend more time in it. Yeah, my best friend George and my wife are just that way. So, yeah, they do the same thing with the freaking menu.

Speaker 2: 29:13

I need to go have dinner with them.

Speaker 1: 29:16

So, what are your goals over the next five years? What are your? What are you trying to achieve, what are your intentions to achieve?

Speaker 2: 29:21

I should say you know my goal is never to climb the corporate ladder and where I'm at is not necessarily corporate, so I don't look to being like a director or anything I like where I'm at. You know my goal eventually in the next five years would be to move. I would love to move into a home of our own. We don't have a home of our own yet we're still part of the renter group but I'd love to own a home, maybe move to somewhere like Seattle. But I love virtue already so it might be a hard sell to get me to move.

Speaker 2: 29:54

Um, you know, I don't think that far ahead, because five years ago I probably wouldn't have said I'm where I am now. And then five years before that I definitely wouldn't be where I am now, so I don't usually think that far ahead. To be honest, You're lucky I can think a year in advance. I'm thinking of my vacation next year at the very least.

Speaker 1: 30:13

Where are you going on vacation?

Speaker 2: 30:15

My husband and I would really love to go to Switzerland, but our family wants to go to Paris. So it my husband and I would really love to go to Switzerland, but our family wants to go to Paris, so it might be a family vacation to Paris, tough choice there Can't go wrong. I mean, we go to Cabo almost every year. That is like a guaranteed getaway. That's how I also refresh and come back rejuvenated for work.

Speaker 1: 30:31

Cabo's a good time yeah.

Speaker 2: 30:33

Agreed.

Speaker 1: 30:33

Well, I want to thank you for being on, thank you for having me, we're going to wrap this pod up here, Guys. If you're ever a two and you need help with marketing, Haley's your gal. Guys, we're running Vegas. Take care of yourselves today.