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RUNNIN' VEGAS - The John McNamara Sports Podcast
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ADHD in Women: Misdiagnosed, Quiet Symptoms, and the Anxiety You Didn’t Know Was ADHD | Jorge Dez, John McNamara & Krystal Goddard
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SPEAKER_00Hey guys, it's John Mac and my host from Runin' Vegas. We're talking local sports, business, real estate. If you guys like to see, subscribe, follow us on run and vegas.com. Got my code, Vegas Dog Hunts. Your name is what's going on, everyone.
SPEAKER_01Happy Thursday. Crystal Goddard. Thanks for being in the house. Thanks so much for having me. Yeah, I appreciate it. So tell us about you, your story, where you're from.
SPEAKER_04Me, my story. I've been in Vegas almost 20 years. I came out in 2007 with uh an ex-boyfriend, was in food and beverage, worked my way into performing here in Las Vegas. I've been a professional singer for over 15 years now here in Vegas. I've performed probably every casino.
SPEAKER_02Thank you.
SPEAKER_04That's so nice of you to say. Every casino and done all the things. So I just I kind of fell into it and got really lucky and have been doing that for quite a while now.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, and to give you guys context, how we met is through a broker's open and you were singer there, your good vibes, you have like the jams are going, you feel in a good mood, you go in the house, and then yeah, and that's really fun. And then we touched bass, and it was really cool. So John and I read the ADHD Advantage because I was uh diagnosed, but I didn't agree with the diagnosis really when I was 17, so I did it, yeah, because they were trying to like give me medication and I didn't want to do any more.
SPEAKER_04It's different when you're a teenager, yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I'm like, no, I think it's a mindset thing, but now I've learned to just kind of accept it. But um, anyways, in that there was a chapter where it says how ADD and ADHD manifest different in women, and that's why you are here. Yeah, because you're gonna talk firsthand about that. So yeah, tell us a little bit more about that. It's like just how it manifests different in women to men, because that's something completely new to me. Yeah, I don't repeat.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it does present very differently. There's um, I was late diagnosed about two years ago in my early 40s, which is happening to a lot of women around the world. And the reason we kind of slip through the cracks, uh, when you think of ADHD, you think, oh, the hyperboy in the classroom that like can't sit still, or you know, it's kind of misbehaving. Um, so they're a lot more physically hyperactive.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04Women, girls are gonna be more mentally hyperactive, so we're gonna maybe not be bouncing off the walls, but our brains are going a million miles a minute. So we typically fly under the radar. A lot of um ADHD kids are gifted, so you can still be doing really well in school or or have a high IQ or getting good grades and still mentally be very hyperactive and very much struggling, right? It's just not as obvious to people. So what's happening now is women are getting into their 40s, they're getting to a point in their life where your hormones are changing, and that exacerbates ADHD symptoms. So, whereas you might have been able to kind of just get through before with your symptoms, now they're so intensified that now you're no longer managing and you're not really sure what's
Why ADHD Looks Different In Women
SPEAKER_04happening. So there's women that actually reached out to me saying that uh they thought they had early onset dementia, which is terrifying. Wow. Uh, because they just didn't they couldn't understand like why their lives just all of a sudden are are falling apart. So you're seeing a lot of of women around this age getting diagnosed right now with crazy.
SPEAKER_02So there's two things that's funny because you were saying how the boys are hyperactive, and then that book it talks about that, and they're like in girls, and and it was kind of talking, no, but in girls, they're like when they're teens or younger, it's sometimes their outlet is being creative, and that translates to gossip. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and I'm like, wait, what? I'm like, oh, that makes sense because it's just them just being hyper, it's none of it's real, right? In your head, it is, but it's like, yeah, but the boy is just like kind of just yeah, off the wall, off the ropes, or whatever.
SPEAKER_04That's interesting. The creative part I definitely identify with creativity, I would say is probably my my strongest um attribute tied to ADHD, but the gossip thing makes sense because they talk about how you know we can kind of create little like fantasy lands in our in our minds. Um, and that's part of our, you know, we're we're more called like daydreamers, right? And so it makes sense that that would turn into gossip, yeah, and storytelling.
SPEAKER_02Because I have a very dear friend that has a daughter that's gonna go to college and she has ADD. So I let him borrow the book, and he's like, you read this and you're like, oh my god, it's like I've been kind of just judging this, and it's like this is exactly it. Well, we went through it, right? And then he's like, I realize it's like certain things. I wasn't he would take it personal. He's like, Oh, he just interrupts, he doesn't care what I have to say, but I'm just excited. So then I get overstimulated. I'm like, ah, it's yeah, reframing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I saw you were a jerk. Yeah, I'm like this kid.
SPEAKER_04That's what I think one of the hardest parts is because I think I try to, you know, be kind and respectful, and I I think I'm an overall like a nice human being. And I definitely have been accused of like you know, being rude or interrupting. And before I was diagnosed, I had no idea really that I was even doing it. And what I've learned, and I'm sure you're familiar as well, we you get a thought mid-conversation, and your biggest fear is that if you don't get that thought out right away, it's gonna be gone forever. Right. So you just interject and you just say it and you cut people off and interrupt people. And you're like, but you don't understand. If I don't say it right now, it's gone forever.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and then I'm gonna like just think about that all day. That question, what was it? I'm like, it was important in my head, and I needed it to maybe in in boys we do it too, because me, I need the whole story, or I need the whole story, it needs to make sense. If not, I can't let it go. Like, whether it's how to do something in business or stories with friends, I'm like, I need how did it smell, how was it wearing, or what was the tonality, where was it at? What was the setting? And if not, I'm not gathering the whole, I almost feel like the person's like omitting stuff on purpose, and that's not true.
SPEAKER_01That's where the first conversations are really good. Doesn't stand all that. You're right.
SPEAKER_04We care a lot about the why, because if you uh tell me if this ever works for you, but if you've ever been at work and a boss has told you to do something and you want to ask why, or you know what the reasoning is, and you uh if you ever get in or by your parents the because I said so. Yeah, well that can lead to defiance because you don't necessarily you're asking really for clarification. Like what's the reasoning that helps you understand what it is that you're doing and why, and it helps you get the motivation to start that task, right? But if you're left with all of these questions, it's a lot harder to even get started on those things. So it's really beneficial. It helps in in school with parenting in the workplace. If you can just, you know, give a little bit of a reason like, hey, I need you to do this because of this. And then you're like, oh, okay, got it. Let's go, let's do that.
SPEAKER_02And then you see the value, not as just like, okay, why am I doing this? I'm not doing it to just kill time.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So you were saying earlier that you were diagnosed two years ago. So I know for boys, usually it's as early as four to six, which I may or may not agree with that part because I think it's uh I don't know how you feel about medication, but uh I'm considering it now, but I haven't been on medication for a while. Okay. Since I was 21, okay, 20. Um, but what's the diagnosis do you know for for girls or for women? Like if because for boys it's really early, and then they're putting them on meds, which they're adrenaline.
SPEAKER_04And there's
Hormones And The Late Diagnosis Wave
SPEAKER_04a lot, there's there's so many differing opinions about this. My personal opinion. So in order to have ADHD, you've got to have diagnostic criteria present before uh I think the cutoff is around maybe 13 to 14 for girls, it's a little bit earlier for boys.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Um, so you've got to have those those symptoms present during that early, those earlier stages of life.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_04Um, and as far as medication goes, for me personally, when I got diagnosed and I started um taking medication, it was a total game changer for me. It like it saved my life.
SPEAKER_02Like it changed so tell me more about that because that's where I'm at right now.
SPEAKER_04It really just so when you're talking about stimulant medication, right? So someone who is not ADHD, take a stimulant, whether it be drugs or Adderall or coffee or whatever it may be, it's gonna have a certain impact on your body and your and your brain.
SPEAKER_02You're hyper.
SPEAKER_04Right. It's gonna that's why you know a lot of college kids will do it, so that they can stay amped in order to study and get through their finals. Um, my first experience, the very first time I ever took um Adderall, it was legitimately the calmest I'd ever felt in my whole life.
SPEAKER_02So that's me, that's why I'm considering it now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it was having hundreds of thoughts in my brain all at once, going down to me to maybe half of that and being like, oh my gosh, this is what it's like to be able to just focus on 12 thoughts instead of 93 thoughts. It just simplifies that. And it it's I liken it to having this hamster running on a wheel in my brain my whole life, and someone just like let it off for the first time. Yeah. And it just gave me so much clarity, and I'm like, oh my god, because at the time when you're not diagnosed, you think everyone's brain works like that.
unknownRight.
SPEAKER_04And you're like, What's the problem? Well, why are other people managing it so much better than I am? What's wrong with me? And then you realize that that's not how everyone's brain works. But I think medication is uh go ahead.
SPEAKER_02He has a question. I could go on to go on.
SPEAKER_04Just to answer your initial question, because I'll start writing them down to get off track.
SPEAKER_02I'm talking to him.
SPEAKER_04Medication is a very it it can be very useful. I think I don't think that there's anything wrong with with medication, but I also don't think there's anything wrong with trying every other method you can, you know, just trying to manage whatever symptoms you can, learn reading, learning whatever tools you can to manage it. Right. When that feels like maybe it's not enough, then maybe try medication. And it's gonna be with things like stimulant medication, it's out of your system the following day. So it's right, you know, if it doesn't work for you, if you don't, if you don't like it, it doesn't help, then don't take it. But I don't think that there's really anything innately harmful. I'm not a doctor by any means, but
Interrupting And The Need For Why
SPEAKER_04it for me it has the pros outweigh the cons for sure.
SPEAKER_02And now as adults, we can make that yeah decision. I have more pleasure. Go ahead, I know.
SPEAKER_01Well, it's interesting you said that because when I was, I think I was like 25, 27 years ago, and somebody gave me Adderall and we're at like a bar, and I'm thinking, oh, this is if I've never done it before. That's what happened to me. I got super like focused and calm, and I was like, and that's when I found out because when we were younger, there wasn't a thing of ADHD, there was no understanding, but that's when I knew I had some form of it. Yeah, isn't it interesting? It's super I never did it again because I always it was kind of like my superpower. I can get really focused, and but my brain is like you said, that hamster wheel. Yeah, sometimes it's great, but sometimes at two o'clock in the morning it's not great.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's like a three-ring circus.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, at all times, it's constantly ABC D.
SPEAKER_02It's also that's why I'm like for kids, I think they just need a different outlet for medication and not medication or the Benadryl or whatever, the Ritalin. When I was 18, I was on Adderall for a year, but then I felt like I also wasn't like feeling a lot, and it was weird. And then it they switched to like Xanax, and then the Xanax made me feel the same way. And now as I've gotten older, the Adderall, I'm like, oh, I'm like focused for the next five hours. This is good. I'm like, and then I can like go through life and I'm like, oh, very accomplished. It was like, yeah. So then that's funny because my therapist just brought her up. She's like, maybe you need, you know, because I I'm on something right now that helps with serotonin. And it's like, yeah, maybe you need, but now that I'm older and I understand it, I think I I know how to gauge it. So back then I didn't know what is this that I'm feeling. And most people like the party kids, right? They're like, oh, we're gonna have fun. Um I'm just focused and I can think at one thought at a time. Yeah, isn't this so much party going on? It is, and I'm like, this is how the rest of the world is.
SPEAKER_01That's why I think I like drinking alcohol and beers because it kind of slows my it slows my brain down. Right.
SPEAKER_04So my age was my vice for a very long time. Uh as a as a performer, um, you know, being on stage and and working in bars and being around alcohol um and having a certain amount of anxiety that came with performing. Um, I used alcohol 100% as a way to self-medicate and to just calm down that chaos that I was always feeling. Once I was diagnosed and started taking medication, I rarely feel the urge to drink. Hardly, hardly ever. And it's because symptoms are being more managed. Yeah, yeah. And and drinking was uh, you know, a very regular part of my life, and now it's very, very rarely that I do. And even when I do, I'm like, I don't, I'm just not really sad anymore.
SPEAKER_01When you take it, do you feel like a stress relief from it or when I drink? No, uh sorry, the Adderall. Um medication, whatever.
SPEAKER_04You know, I think it's hard, it's hard to say. I mean, stress, I think stress is just kind of a different thing. I think I I take um medication for anxiety as well. So I think that really helps a little bit more with with those types of side effects or those types of symptoms. Um I think more so it just helps you uh focus your thoughts more.
Medication Pros Cons And Real Effects
SPEAKER_04And it also helps with, you know, task initiation. Um, just all just being this is where I'm getting tongue-tied, this happens too as an ADHD thing. Um, it just helps keep you more focused and and more on track and being able to kind of uh prioritize what you need to do for the day instead of feeling like you're all over the place. So it just gives you more of a sense of I would say calm, more calm. Okay. But people react to medication differently too. So I have a friend that's diagnosed um ADHD. She's actually a um uh a counselor and a specialist. Okay, and she can't take any type of medication, she doesn't respond well to any of it. Yeah, there's something for her, it's you know, natural, she just tries to do whatever she can to manage it. Yeah, um, and for me, medication works wonders. So it just kind of depends. It depends on the we're all so different, right?
SPEAKER_02So I want to know what what was the what were your you kind of touched on it, but what were your symptoms? So if there's other girls or women that are maybe thinking I'm just going through hormonal change or maybe I just what like what was at what point did you go down this journey and you're like, hey, let me figure this out if you're like you got yes.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so I honestly, so I was at the the Route 91 uh concert, we'll call it, um, in 2017. And from that, I had had some auditory PTSD that I was struggling with. So years later, and I had you know gone to therapy and done whatever I could to kind of work through that and manage it. And years later, I still felt like I was having these sensory sensitivities that were were just not getting any better. And so I thought that I had unresolved or untreated PTSD. And so I found a therapist, I started going to therapy on a weekly basis through that um uh progression through it, I think it was maybe nine or ten months in that we determined it wasn't PTSD, it was ADHD. And it was just this light bulb that was like, oh my god, now my whole life makes sense. Like I can look back at at certain interactions through my entire life and make sense of it and understand those interactions and things that I had maybe been confused about, and I'm like, oh my god, that makes so much sense. So that's kind of how I found out is that I had these symptoms that were just not getting better, and I wanted to figure out a way to you know too.
SPEAKER_02We have a similar story, not with the auditory thing, but uh, you know how I refuse the ADD part, and I'm like, no, no, and it might have came up a couple more times, and I saw that's I I think it's just a funny story now because it was always in my health records. So when I moved to Nevada, I was so I'm like, we're starting fresh. It's like, but it like comes back up somehow. Um, so I read the ADHD book when I went on a cruise to like just relax, and every chapter was like, oh my god, it was an I just laughed the whole time, and I'm like, I can't refuse. The thing is, I had a negative stigma towards it, and I'm like, I just didn't want to be in my head, it was maybe like a medical condition or a mental condition, and I don't want to be oh my man, and I already kind of have anxiety and I get like panic attacks, and I'm like, now let's add this to the list. So it was a lot of self-judgment. However, since I've accepted it, I'm like, okay, I do need to try to interrupt less, or even here, right? I I don't need a or we repeat an affirm always. So yeah, it's crazy how we go through that journey, and then it's like you're like, you know, you know what, they were right.
SPEAKER_01I think too, that book is really good for relationships. So if you have any relationships, get giving that book to somebody really helped because I know it helped our friendship. Like, I don't even know if him and I are still friends. If we both can read that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, it's it's seriously just the understanding of where someone's coming from and understanding that they're not it it's not a moral failure. It's not that someone is intentionally trying to be rude or disrespectful. It is literally a difference in how your brain works and how it experiences the world.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04And ADHD, untreated, un undiagnosed can be really, really difficult for relationships when there's not a level of understanding. And that's why there's so many negative consequences to um untreated ADHD relationship failure is a really big part of that.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, marriage is like hard.
SPEAKER_04Divorce is one of the there's there's seven negative long-term effects of untreated ADHD. One of being divorce, uh, there's bankruptcy, academic failure, uh homelessness, substance abuse, um, incarceration, and then unfortunately suicide because people just they have a hard time connecting with other people. They don't understand, yeah, they don't understand why they have good intentions, but it's not being received that way. Um, I don't know if you know this fact, but by the age of 10, children with ADHD have heard on average 20,000 more either corrective or negative comments than their neurotypical peers. And so think what that does to your self-esteem. And then that's kind of ongoing. That's by the age of 10. So you're already, you know, at a very developmental time in your life struggling with self-esteem because you get this constant message of I'm doing something wrong. Yeah, like you think you're defective somehow. Yeah, I don't know what happened here. And and there are, and with your to your point, you know, being diagnosed at 17, I was misdiagnosed at 19 with generalized anxiety disorder. Yeah, and you have this kind of defiance about not wanting something to be wrong. I would like flush my medication down the toilet because I was like, I don't need this, I can fix this myself. I don't need that. Um, when really it's not a bad thing, these are just the way that people are, and and we we struggle
Anxiety Panic And Alcohol Self Medication
SPEAKER_04with these things, and it's it's okay. And we should be able to treat these things without feeling bad about it. And we're you know, we've come a long way, I think, with the general public and society, but we're not quite where we should.
SPEAKER_02I think that's why it's so important these conversations to like break that stigma. That's why I was so happy for you to be here. I'm like, man, we're you're in. And I'm like, this one's like a a good topic, yeah, and me living with it, like I didn't even think about it. You too, right? It's like for sure. Yeah, my son's attempt to hear.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and I've already learned stuff because I've heard like uh when when they get older they have menopause, and I I have friends and their husbands, and it's caused divorces, or yeah, I've never heard ADHD and how it affects women like in their 40s. So it's just something good to know to tell my friends or my buddies, like, hey, it might be ADHD too.
SPEAKER_04You're not wrong. There are pod there are podcasts I can send you some links that literally talk about how much more difficult it is for women, especially when you add in like the hormonal changes. Paramenopause and menopause are difficult on their own. Right. And then you add in these ADHD symptoms, and it's like every day can be a struggle, and especially when you don't have the support of the people that you're closest to simply because there's a breakdown in understanding that can make you feel all the more isolated and alone going through this really difficult time. So it's I think having these conversations is so important. There's so much the general public does, there's so much I didn't know before I got diagnosed. I really had no understanding of what it was. There's so much information available, but we don't really go looking for it until it affects us personally.
SPEAKER_03Right.
SPEAKER_04So I think um that's why it's important. To have these conversations, there's so many people that are struggling unnecessarily. It doesn't really have to be that way. And to your, can I ask you, do you still have panic attacks and anxiety? Do you still do it?
SPEAKER_02I haven't had one since two years ago.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_04So I had panic attacks my whole life growing up. I was very anxiety ridden. And then I started taking the anxiety medication at 19. And it I would say that it helped a little bit, but it was still always there. I still had panic attacks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Oh wow.
SPEAKER_04Since I have been diagnosed and medicated for ADHD, I have not had one panic attack. And so for me, I was misdiagnosed.
SPEAKER_02I know.
SPEAKER_04So and you can have both.
SPEAKER_02We're gonna have a second part today. 100%. You still got seven minutes. You can have an anxiety.
SPEAKER_04I know, I do too. Okay. You can have an anxiety disorder along with ADHD. You can have both, and you can have depression and bipolar and all of these other you know comorbidities. But it is also possible that your anxiety is a symptom of untreated ADHD. Right. So you can see our medication, and then your anxiety goes, my anxiety went away. Um that may not be the case for everyone, but it is possible.
SPEAKER_02Well, my therapist I have right now, she's not a psychiatrist, but I do have a psychiatrist as well. Me too. And I love him, dude. Yeah, no, me too. I have the best therapist. Um, and she was saying she's like, hey, you might want to like look into the Adderall again. She and she was claiming the same thing. So now I feel like it's three three times from somebody else, just a universal way like, hey, look at and now that I'm I know what's going on, I'm not judging the medication as much like when I was younger. So that's good to hear though, because it's I never correlate being creative in my head with hey, that's what's causing the anxiety. It's because you're thinking worst case scenario, and then that story turns into this whole movie.
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, we catastrophize 100%.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I would recommend. So I had like three, this is like seven years ago. I had like three panic attacks in a row. I found it's called I Love Panic Attacks. It's it's an audio you listen to. It's 10 uh trainings or about 45-60 minutes. So anybody out there, you're having panic attacks, it gives you the tools to be able to deal with, and to this day, I I have not had a panic attack. But it was like I would just go on, like I I go on listing appointments every day. I had a panic attack on a listing appointment, and I'm like, if I can't do this, I don't have a living anymore. You know, and I got the listing. I have no idea how. I couldn't even breathe. I'm just like, please sign. Uh, but I I love panicattacks.com. I think it's like a $200 audio. It was incredible. I learned a lot.
SPEAKER_04It sounds worth every penny.
SPEAKER_01Every penny. It's 10, it's 10 sessions, but it's a guy that's 45 minutes or 40 to 60 minutes. 45 to 60 minutes each session. But this man was getting panic attacks. I think he's like in Europe or something, Eastern Europe. He was getting a panic attacks almost every day about everything. So it's a really great uh uh just a thought. Like, yeah, there's other ways, there's tools in place. Like one of them is when I'm feeling that excited, like that, you know, that breathing when you feel it coming.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Like my heart's like, and I'm like, oh, this is.
SPEAKER_01One of the best things you can do is like, great, let's have a panic attack. Let's have fun with it. Like I'm around the people that I care and I love, and I do that, I'm gonna be okay. It goes away like that almost every single time.
SPEAKER_04And when you're I think when you're in a safe, you feel like you're in a safe and supported environment, that it makes all the difference.
SPEAKER_03Yes.
SPEAKER_04Um and to that point, you would you one of the questions you
ADHD Strengths Plus The Vegas Factor
SPEAKER_04uh had positioned was um, you know, are there you know advantages or or superpowers to have a VHG? And of course, absolutely there are. Um, there are things that we can be really brilliant at, whether it's creativity or or outside the box thinking or problem solving or things like that. But I think what it comes down to is the environment that you're in and and what your support system is. Because I look at look at Simone Biles, right? She is um diagnosed ADHD, very vocal about it. And she grew up in an environment that was incredibly supportive. Um, you know, they really nurtured her in every aspect that she needed to be nurtured in to succeed, and and look what she was able to do. On the flip side, you can take someone that's highly misunderstood, criticized, you know, parents maybe don't understand what's going on with the child. Uh, they grow up in an environment where they feel very unsupported, and you know, the opposite of that is maybe they end up in prison.
SPEAKER_02Right. Or or worse. They call it challenging kids, right?
SPEAKER_04So environment is such a huge, huge part of what ends up transpiring with the ADHD diagnosis.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, because I think I need to be stimulant. Well, there was two things, right? There's one, like we can like as far as detail, I'm like I'm very detail-oriented. Yeah, like and it drives me crazy. I'm like, oh, this isn't like what normal people wouldn't see. I do, and I'm like stuck on it.
SPEAKER_04But I say that all the time. I see things that a lot of people don't see. And I then I can see what ends up happening in the future before it even happens.
SPEAKER_02Right. And it's a that's part of just being in tune also with your gut. And I'm like, where people don't see certain things, or that little like smirk, or that little like face, you know, of whatever emotion you're like, you process it. But going back to the environment part, do you think living here in Vegas is a pro advantage? Because I feel like it is, because I'm like, there's a lot going on. I go to a little town, and I grew up in in California in the Bay Area, San Francisco, and there's always something going on, so kept me going. But if I'm somewhere where it's too quiet or it's not a lot going on, my head starts getting very creative with everything that's going on, and I'm like, okay, we need a sensationalize. I'm bored. I need a dopamine hit. Do you get that?
SPEAKER_04Or yeah, so to your point, I'm so I'm from Kansas. I'm from the Midwest. It doesn't get like a whole lot more boring in that race.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Nothing against Kansas. It was a great place to grow up.
SPEAKER_04You know, what happened you'll you'll you'll read about a lot of times in the Midwest, uh, places that maybe don't have as much going on, it's substance abuse and things like that are gonna be more prevalent because we don't have as many things to capture the attention. So I yes, I think Vegas can be you know beneficial just because there's no shortage of things going on, right? So you're not gonna get bored.
SPEAKER_02Right.
SPEAKER_04Um, but there's also a lot more ways to get in trouble.
SPEAKER_02That is true. Yeah, I never think about that because I'm not a gambler, I'm a drink, but yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. So for someone ADHD who's not managing it, there's all kinds, you know, like the you know, gambling substances, all these different things. Um, but it definitely can be a huge advantage to have all of these different things to to focus on, you know, different hobbies and different kinds of jobs. I mean, there's so many different things. So there's pros and cons.
SPEAKER_02Okay, yeah, that I didn't think about the cons part. Yeah, I don't gamble at all, so I don't really either.
SPEAKER_04Very rare. Only like after a gig while I'm waiting for dinner.
SPEAKER_02Often like the 20s or something, but it's he's a little smirk, it's so funny. Well, it is so crazy. I'm a joint guest. 57 seconds. I had one more question, but now I'm like spacing it because now I looked at the time. Um, we were talking environment. What was it?
New Podcast Plug And Closing
SPEAKER_02I can't. Anything else you want to close?
SPEAKER_04If we can save it for part two.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we can I think we got a lot for part two already.
SPEAKER_04So just thank you so much for having me on and allowing me to talk about this.
SPEAKER_02Well, your app on Instagram. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, like only my your handle.
SPEAKER_04My handle. Oh, so I'll be launching uh I'll be launching a podcast specifically about neurodevelopmental disorders, ADHD, autism, dyslexia. We'll be interviewing uh medical professionals and diagnosed members of the community to talk about their experiences. The YouTube is already up, it's Masking for a Friend podcast. Um Masking for a Friend podcast. And the Instagram is under the same handle. You can connect on both of those areas that should be launching this summer once we we have episodes taped. They're they're just working on some technical aspects, but it will be arriving soon, so we can continue this conversation.
SPEAKER_02I have a friend, I'll introduce you to somebody. He's getting a little on my nerves lately, but I do still love him. But he runs a really cool gym for kids that have autism. So he's gonna be able to do that. Oh my gosh, I have to meet this person.
SPEAKER_03Awesome.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'll make that introduction, even though he does get on my nerves sometimes, but he owes me dinner. Okay, we're wrapping up.
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SPEAKER_02All right, thank you guys.