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RUNNIN' VEGAS - The John McNamara Sports Podcast
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NFL Trade Deadline CHAOS! Dynasty Moves That Could Win Your League 🔥 | John McNamara & Steve Brown
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Welcome And Trade Deadline Timing
SPEAKER_02Hey guys, John Back in my host of Running Vegas. We're talking local sports business real estate. You guys are crazy subscribe podcast.
SPEAKER_00Thanks for having me.
SPEAKER_02Expert in the house.
SPEAKER_00Degenerate, not expert.
SPEAKER_02Woo! Episode three.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02What are we talking about today?
SPEAKER_00Uh I'm assuming trades. I'm trade. Some dynasty or at least strategy moving forward.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, big. Yeah, a lot of big things happening right now, right? A lot of trades have occurred. We got fantasy football trade deadlines coming up for your leagues.
SPEAKER_00Today, I mean, depending, I mean, this could be week. I mean, this could be the final week in most leagues. And I mean, I know I pushed out a couple of mine to week 13, 14.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, it's either this week or next couple weeks. So
Kirk Cousins To Minnesota Fallout
SPEAKER_01this is gonna be a fun pod. But let's talk about starting off, because there's some big players have been traded in the end of former Raiders. Former Raiders. Mr. Kirk Cousins got traded to the Vikings. What's your thoughts?
SPEAKER_00I love it for the Vikings. Um I think he comes in and he's better than Murray. He's better than Wentz. They should cut Wentz and just be done with him. Probably. Uh he knows the playbook, so he's gonna come in and Justin Jefferson is about to just I think he had his best statistical year with Cousins, even though it was like four years ago. Yeah. So uh but yeah, it'll be good for the whole fantasy dynamic. Um maybe then get a run game going.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. I think it was a good trade. It made the most sense. I know Daniel Jones was kind of like part of that talk too. I didn't see that happening because it's a big contract, and like Daniel Jones isn't necessarily having the best year. He's still getting healthy. Kirk Cousins is a little bit more proven. I mean, Kirk Cousins is putting he's it's very under talked, but it's he's putting over a seven MVP number.
SPEAKER_00It wasn't before this week, but it was like he in the last seven out of the seven out of the eight weeks, he's thrown three or more touchdowns, which was just him and Josh Allen. That's insane. And I'm like, that is I thought I it was awesome. So good for him. I mean, if he can go and resurrect the Vikings, Vikings had to do something uh because if they don't win that division, they might not make it in based on their schedule and their quarterback play. So um good on them um going in, and they didn't have to give up anything. So anything of value.
SPEAKER_01A third, you know, you and the reality now is I think they actually have an opportunity to potentially win a Super Bowl on your right. That division is so good. One of those teams can be left out, and I I thought it was actually gonna be Minnesota until that trade. Yeah, so kudos to the Vikings making a big move. And I think it's a perfect fit because I think he's got like a two-year contract. I think he's getting like 10 million or something a year. Just get paid by three different teams, so get on that.
SPEAKER_00That too. Get on him.
SPEAKER_01But for the next year and a half, he's probably the guy for the Vikings, and it they have an elite defense right now.
SPEAKER_00That I think they didn't have to give up their first, so they can go and they can draft the future guy like JJ again, yeah, and maybe train him up and then trade him off before he's worthy of dying in the air.
SPEAKER_01We're gonna talk about those 2020, some maybe some 2028 picks later. So let's not get ahead of ourselves. My bad. But yeah, good job by the Vikings. So that was a good move. You know what's been fun too? Is real life NFL is kind of turning a little bit into fantasy football now. It is like just the last two years, all these trades, this never occurred. The trade downline was not a thing.
SPEAKER_00One or two offensive linemen, some role players, rotational. Yeah, this is big names. It was death players, and now it's actually big names. And I don't know why the NFL didn't do that in the past. I think it has a lot to do with money. The m the money, uh, contracts, the way that they I think that the NFL used to be like a very traditional, you know, uh culture, if that makes sense.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Because the NBA, that's been going on for years. The trend line's a very big thing.
SPEAKER_00Well trying to get trying to get contracts out, trying to get youth in, trying to like they're flying for the future. It's good for them. Uh it's exciting for us as you know, fantasy football fans, football fans in general.
SPEAKER_01It's also a little bit tougher to get uh guys, you know, in your scheme. That's another reason why Kirk Cousin was a great trade for the Vikings. He's been in that system before.
SPEAKER_00Um He's not gonna have to learn anything, he's just gonna have to freshen up on some of the uh verbiage and vernacular and then and throw Justin Jefferson. Like, how hard is that? Yeah, uh Hawkinson's value just plummeted because now he you they have a quarterback and get past ten yards. So that's true to be.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, Hawkinson was probably one of the losers of that because Kyle Murray only throws the tight ends. So all right. The other trade that was interesting was Josh Downs to Kansas City Chiefs.
SPEAKER_00What's your thoughts? I'm not a Downs fan. And he's not down with it. No, and I think we hype it up. You're so dumb. You're so dumb. Yeah, wait a minute. Yeah, no, I think we hype up Kansas City's offense and we think these guys are gonna come in. I think Downs' uh volume actually is gonna go down again. And then uh I think he is a boom or bust guy. I think he's still worth if you're trading for him and you need like a third receiver or a flex guy, go out and trade a second for him. If you if you're a contender, that's a late second, go and get downs. He will he will provide you with some depth and some boom. Um, I just don't think I mean Rice is still the guy, Kelsey's still the guy, Walker is the man. So, I mean, Downs is just a guy who's helping that offense do its thing. Yeah, I agree with you.
SPEAKER_01I think for this year, unless some injuries occur, Josh Downs learning a new system, and what he's probably the third guy on the targets for Patrick Mahomes. I agree with you. It's probably Rice, Kelsey, give or take, one A, one B for that system, and then Downs. But I would say for a long term, do the Chiefs re-sign Rice, who's had a lot of issues because what I've seen is that they already signed him.
SPEAKER_00I thought they re-signed him last year. I don't think they did. Well, Downs is a free agent. So they would they would get a comp pick if he floats. So they gave a fourth and a fifth and then the in return.
SPEAKER_01Well, my thought process is I don't know if Downs can be the guy, right? We saw with the Colts this year. I've been a Downs guy, um, but I I have not been impressed this year. He's for whatever reason been dropping the ball all year, usually has good hands. But it doesn't seem he seems like he should be the the the Robin, like in the offense, right? So he is actually a pretty good uh potential replacement for Rice to go into that slot role. And the one thing about KC is they don't have issues with 180-pound receivers. They're all about, except for Rice, all the rest of them are all about 180 pounds.
SPEAKER_00They have every guy, everybody on the roster is a Downs worthy. Um, who's the other guy? Uh Allen. Um, even Johnson's been taking away those. I mean, he gets a lot of catches.
SPEAKER_01So I just well, he's more of like a short to intermediate uh receiver, like the worthiest of the world are based on speed and getting down the field. And I'm just wondering
Josh Downs Joins Kansas City
SPEAKER_01if Josh, I guess here's my thoughts. Long term, though, if Josh Downs replaces Rice in that in that slot role that they like for receivers, I see long-term value at Downs. Um but this year, I think it might be a little bit.
SPEAKER_00He's worth a second. If you got a if you got a mid to late second and you got a team who's looking to just pivot, offer it. I mean, that's how I would go. Yeah. And because it doesn't hurt you as a contender to to pick up that depth.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. He's also 25 years old, but what is his contract gonna look like right now?
SPEAKER_00Well, right now, I mean, you still gotta have to pay him because even the crappiest receiver is gonna get 20 million. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_01He's probably gonna so there's a very likely scenario because they traded for him unless he's terrible, they don't like him this year. Say he plays decent, they want weapons for Mahomes. Kelsey is like he's he's getting up there, right? Most likely you're gonna re-sign him. It's probably like a three-year, $25 million deal. Yeah, so and then he's the highest paid receiver on the team going to next year.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I I don't know if I think they did this. This is like the Bill Parcell's move. Someone, and I'm still in this room, someone, because I've talked to a lot of people. Yeah. Um, but essentially, uh bring in these quality guys, let them win you a Super Bowl, and let them walk and get a comp pick. Yeah, they did because they didn't spend anything to get him. I mean, up front they did, but they're gonna get it back when he leaves. That's true. And so for them, if they're like, well, he didn't produce, he was just a cog in the wheel, yeah, we still get a third.
SPEAKER_01Well, that yeah, that's the thing too, right? They can let him walk, he goes to free agency, and he goes to some crappy team, right? Like, so yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Um He's worth a depth piece though in fantasy. I would say grab a leader.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but I I said his, I would think in dynasty value goes up a little bit, but short term, yeah.
SPEAKER_00I think we put too much weight in uh on the KC's offense, in my and we do this. I'm I'm guilty, I'm guilty of it.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, a lot a lot of over the years, these these guys get brought into KC and they just it's kind of like Patriots, too. It just that it doesn't happen. So, but I think his long-term dynasty value went up a little bit. It's gonna more depend on how the offense uh uh offseason shakes out though. So, okay. Um number next, Keenan Allen. I thought this was a sneaky little trade by the 49ers. I like it. I mean give me your thoughts. Went to the 49ers.
SPEAKER_00Uh yeah, um I mean it's good, it's quality, he's dependable, he can catch. I mean, right now they have injuries, so as long as Keenan's healthy, he's on the field. Watson looked good though. So I don't know. Uh Jordan Watson looked good, he's young. Um but they just they can't keep wide receivers healthy. So Keenan Allen just being there. I mean, if like I wouldn't trade for him. If I'm dynasty, I mean I don't want him. Um then I gotta figure out then I then he's gonna die on my team. So I'm gonna end up dropping him next year because no one's gonna trade me a fourth next year when he's 37. So he's stuck. So uh it has to be a specific team that needs a certain role, like a flex spot or like just dip for a like a playoff run.
SPEAKER_01I agree with you. So I think if you're trying to make the playoffs and say you don't have a ton of assets and you need like a sneaky flex play, Keenel be it, he's not gonna be an X or a Z receiver for the offense. He'll play slot, he'll probably pay you know 55%, six percent five targets, maybe. But the thing is that's such a highly efficient offense where he could get his seven targets for six catches for 50 yards.
SPEAKER_00But if Evans comes back, Jordan uh Watson actually continues to play well and then they start I don't know, Watson's a long-term solution. I like the kid. I think he looked good. Yeah, and maybe it's because he had he was the only person getting the ball. Right. I don't know.
SPEAKER_01It's also the point of offense where everybody looks good. Yeah, even Keen Allen this year, like he's looked pretty solid and he's uh he's been upgraded in the offense. I don't think he's gonna get as much time on the field. But Purdy's been playing pretty lights out.
SPEAKER_00He's worth a pickup if you are a specific team. If you are a rebuilding team, uh sell him and or don't don't go for him.
SPEAKER_01So yeah, go get a like if you're yeah, and we'll talk talk about this as well, right? That the deadline's gonna be fantasy football. If your team is not competing, great time to sell. He just got traded, he's trending. I would say he's probably worth a third. Nope.
SPEAKER_00You're not gonna get a third. Yes, I will send you that offering. Yes, you want to give me a third, but yours will be a 29-third because you don't have any.
SPEAKER_01If you need a flex spot. I just probably you don't need Keen Allen if you're doing that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_00There's been a lot of injuries this year. I just I it's hard. A fourth would be fair, and I think you would be.
SPEAKER_01I'm just gonna do a yeah. I'm just I feel like fourths are just I don't know.
SPEAKER_00They are garbage. I don't even consider forts anymore. Oh well, you're that wealthy in jet picks, huh? You see my teams. I know. You probably need a loaded with no picks.
SPEAKER_01All right, so some players didn't get traded. Let's talk about it. So Jonathan Taylor was the one player that was basically talked about the entire uh last month about getting traded. The Colts gave away everybody, and I really saw it. If I'm the Colts and I mean, they are like now minimum two years away, right? Like nothing's happening next year. You got a 27-year-old uh running back, John the Taylor, who's in his prime. And a new contract, so it's it's it's front-loaded. Yeah. I don't know. It's gonna be 28 going to next year. Usually 27's kind of like that year. That's like your last prime year for running back. Not always, but uh most of the time, unless your name's Derrick Henry. Um, but I thought it was interesting. The team is just so I I would have got rid of Daniel Jones and I would have got uh with John Taylor. Um they were offered by multiple team second rounders for him.
SPEAKER_00That's a hard it's a hard sell as an organization. Like just and to keep your locker room, I can't imagine like selling off all your top tier pieces is going to help you rebuild. And you need to have people there next year when you're trying to lure free agents in. Hey, we have Daniel Jones, he's better than he was last year. Hey, we have Johnson Taylor, we he can run over the league. Um, I think it's easier to get people to.
SPEAKER_01You think they can do another run back with Daniel Jones? I mean, we're we're gonna talk draft in a little bit, but there's about five first-round uh quarterbacks in the 2027 draft.
SPEAKER_00And they have no first-round picks, so it's fine. That too. I forgot. Uh yeah, they're they're kind of screwed. And they have Leonard and they're kind of bringing Daniel Jones. They have the people on their squad that they're going to. And Alan Pierce comes back, okay. Yeah, so Downs is expendable. The offensive lineman. They weren't gonna re-sign down, that's why they got rid of them. Yeah. And then because they lost them, I mean, they got some picks, so they they felt they're good. I don't. Yeah, it's good.
SPEAKER_01One guy I would definitely be buying right now, Tyler Warren. Daniel Jones has nobody to throw to write. If you can buy him, though.
SPEAKER_00If you can buy him, I mean he's gonna be expensive.
SPEAKER_01You're he's expensive, but if you again, if you're competing.
SPEAKER_00Actually, Tyler Warren's, even if you're not competing, if you need a tight end and you're a losing team, you're not gonna make the playoffs, like, start looking for the future. Yeah, um, go and get Tyler Warren. He's young, he should be the man, and he'll probably be the number one target getter next year. So, I mean, yeah, uh, it's bad, right?
SPEAKER_01You probably want a first and potentially get one of those quarterbacks for Tyler Warren, who's a tight end. At the end of the day, like, you'll get a tight end down the road at some point. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Number four this year. I think you have him in several leagues. I think you have him in a couple leagues. I do. I got a lot of flack for that. What'd you think of um Brian Thomas? All the chatter and then no nothing, no fulfillment.
Keenan Allen To San Francisco Fit
SPEAKER_01Um, I get from a football aspect why the Jaguars kept him, right? Because he's the only downfield receiver for this team, which opens up the running game. Um, but you're I guess it doesn't hurt you to have him on the roster one more year. It just it's kind of sad. He's not a fit for that offense. Um, Lawrence just doesn't really throw it down the field a lot. I think Brian Thomas, it's more, I think he's not in an ideal situation because the receivers that are getting the targets are the the Parker Washington, the they're called strange, they're all they all have similar kind of skill sets.
SPEAKER_00Um, where Thomas is the one that is different, but he's just as a Super Bowl bound team. Would you rather have a guy who doesn't fit but he's provides you depth, or would you rather traded him for a low value? Because I think this offseason they can get more for him. Um I agree. Yeah, I don't think his value goes down, right?
SPEAKER_01He'll be like 23 and go to 24. He's still young. I think that's why they kept him. I think I think he's gonna they're gonna get rid of him probably, like you said, next offseason because they're not doing anything with him. His agents probably complain he's probably gonna get traded, but they're competing for a Super Bowl. Great trades, this off or uh, you know, the trade deadline to boost that defense. They gave away everything. They did, and they should. Here's the thing, you know, it's funny. We were talking about the other day in the pod is like who's the team that wants the AFC this year? Well, before this trade. It was the Bills. It was the Bills, but okay, are the Bills beatable? Oh, yeah. They're very beatable, they have a terrible defense. Yeah. And then who's next? Uh Jags now, in my opinion.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, I would say Jags are number one. I would like to say Denver, but Denver's too inconsistent offensively to do it.
SPEAKER_01Denver's not scary either. So AFC is wide open. So Jags have just done the most, they have a top five offense. Now, and they kind of had a they have a decent defense, but their two their weaknesses with defensive tackle and uh safety.
SPEAKER_00Well, they lot I didn't realize their defensive tackle, the one who was on the team, got injured. Yes, and then got injured. And so then that would made that Davis going there made more sense once hearing that. But going out and getting uh baits from the Falcons, um, I think they hope that's as a Falcon fan. Uh it sucks that he's gone, but I know that we're not making the playoffs. And okay. Are we gonna go through this again? Okay, so pretenders, yes.
SPEAKER_01We make the playoffs, we we lose, or we So how do you feel about being uh the Atlanta Falcons fan in first place and they have South with three wins? So stupid. They should just bypass.
SPEAKER_00They should change that role. They do. It should be like winning records. Where it's not even that, but it it should just go, it should be like a point system. Like it should go record for all of the NFC, all of the AFC, and you get slotted in according to your record, not your division.
SPEAKER_01So you guys know the NFC right now, all four teams have three wins. So the AFC or NFC South, excuse me, is wide open.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And but you could have Green Bay, the Bears, the Lions, and um one other team is probably out. And the Vikings. They all look phenomenal, too. Yeah, and then you still have Seattle and San Fran. I mean, all the Falcons. LA might be out this year.
SPEAKER_01They got a ton of injuries, and they were the most hyped team this offseason.
SPEAKER_00I think the scary part is is you're gonna get a Falcon uh losing record in over one of those teams. And like Seattle could not be in it. And you're like, yeah, and then they get a home game on top of that by the year. So all right, moving on. Let's just stop.
SPEAKER_01Moving on. All right, so Daniel Jane stayed put. He's got nobody to throw to. Brian Thomas went over that. All right, so who are the winners from these trades?
SPEAKER_00I think we just talk about uh Jags are winner. I think Jags are winner. No, I mean like for fantasy football. Oh, fantasy? Not not real football. Um I don't know if there's Justin Jefferson. Well, yeah, because yeah, I mean, I guess I think that's no. Well, I mean, yeah, base yeah, he's the real winner. I don't have enough of him. So if you didn't know. Who's this? Just Jefferson Justin Jefferson guy you talk about. I don't have him.
SPEAKER_01I don't have him either. Okay. Uh okay. Vikings, like all the Vikings. Who are the losers of these trades? Pittsburgh.
SPEAKER_02Pittsburgh, right? Tell me more about it.
SPEAKER_00Well, because I think they're playoff bound. Six and two, yeah. They don't have a receiver that can actually catch a ball. Pittman can't sell healthy, and Metcalf has stone hands. So why not bring in a downs there? And that's kind of where I thought was interesting. There's these guys.
SPEAKER_01I'm not a Metcalf guy, but I think that and I don't know the foot injury situation for Pittman because he was supposed to be this the guy this year. He's still on IR.
SPEAKER_00But he's he's 29 years old. I mean that's not super old.
SPEAKER_01I think it has more to do with the injury versus injury.
SPEAKER_00But then bring someone in because that's right now you're one dimensional. Well, who's the guy, who's the Alabama receiver? It's blanking right, Jared. Judy.
SPEAKER_01No, no, no, no. For the Steelers. Oh, Bernard. Bernard. Yeah, he's good. I know. And then Roman Wilson's gonna be coming back. He's the slot guy. But it took himself.
SPEAKER_00It took him four years to do that. How many receivers do you want on this team, Steve? Uh they well, one that's healthy and one that he. I'm a Steeler fan.
Jonathan Taylor Stays Put Questions
SPEAKER_00Screw it, whatever. Screw them.
SPEAKER_01No, there actually was a lot of talk about the Steelers getting uh receiver in the offseason. I I just kinda didn't see unless you really think Pittman's not coming back this year. They just have so much money between Metcalf and Pittman. It's kind of hard to bring in more receivers.
SPEAKER_00I get it, but if uh if they weren't leading the division and they weren't going to the playoffs, I would say, okay, great, stay put. But you you have a good offensive line, your run offense is good, you literally just throw it to your running backs, but and your tight ends. That's all you get. Uh Rogers arm is still strong, he still can get it to the next level, but those guys can't catch. Yeah. And so, you know, put pressure on them to be like, well, if you don't perform, then you're expendable. Yeah. So I know Bernard's good. So if you're a young team that has a couple picks and you want to start acquiring guys, like a guy like Bernard would be good.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, I I like that.
SPEAKER_01I mean, he's getting tons of targets. Yes.
SPEAKER_00And a lot of it has to do with injuries, but once everybody's healthy, he's gonna regress a little bit, become like the number three. That's when if you've got a window, like a trade window, like in a lot of our leagues, week 13, maybe pick him up for a second. Yeah. Um, and then, you know, like roll with him into the next year as maybe probably the number two.
SPEAKER_01Number two. What do you think happens? Because it's kind of because if you're the Steelers and you you're paying Metcalf and Pittman all this money, who goes? One's got to catch it.
SPEAKER_00I have to look at their contract, they probably have a buyout of one of them.
SPEAKER_01I well, I I think Pittman just got his, so I imagine Metcalf's out.
SPEAKER_00They all have like that guy can't catch anything. Well, he can't catch. And I there was a reason Seattle shipped them. Yeah. And so, and I was like, that's weird.
SPEAKER_01Unless you have a uh quarterback and get it done, like his best route is his nine route, throw any as a beast, obviously. But he's not a move. If he's to move the chain skies for you, you're you're in trouble because he only catches half of his well and Rogers.
SPEAKER_00I think he literally came out just recently and said he's done. This is his last year.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00So if you know this is last year, why wouldn't you, as an organization, go, Well, shoot, who do we have? Ollard? Howard? Yeah. I think I mean you have some question marks moving forward. So uh that might be one of those things picking up a quarterback.
SPEAKER_01I mean, I don't think all these quarterbacks, I there's five of them, you know, um, that are potentially first round picks this year, and none of them have really kind of stood out to be the first one.
SPEAKER_00There's no elite quarterback.
SPEAKER_01Manning was supposed to be combine, stuff like that. Um also like playoffs, one of these goes like a CJ Stroud situation, not that he ended up going first, but um one of these quarterbacks goes off in the playoffs. Like in Mendoza, and then all of a sudden he's in the morning.
SPEAKER_00Carson Beck. Carson Beck does goes off in the playoffs and does a run and still goes in the sixth round. Yeah. So it really depends on the player. Yeah. I think and the schemes that are out there. There's a lot of quarterbacks, and a lot of quarterbacks got picked up last year. So in like we're finally gonna see Beck. Klubniks the sitting behind.
SPEAKER_01Honestly, I think that's one of the losers. Oh, Arizona? I think so. Now because of well, yeah, because they traded Marvin Harrison. At first, I loved the Marvin Harrison trade. Kim going with CJ Schroud. Then Shroud goes off in that game. Harrison's not utilized. And then you look at the Cardinals, and Wilson is out for the year. If Harrison had stayed there, he would have got a ton of targets. Now would he have maybe. That's a good point. Okay, that's a good point. There's something going on. Probably, but they like name the three starting receivers of the Cardinals right now. I know. One of the three. I don't even know. I and I know football, and I can't even tell you. I never I've been watching football a long time. The Colts and the Cardinals right now, it's the worst wide receiver groups I can even in the Rams. The Rams, too, right now. I mean, at least I can name at least those are injuries. Yeah. But it's like it's it's really some of these receiver quarters. So Carson Beck, I would say, is actually a loser because I thought at some point this guy is gonna get a shot if he can prove himself. And now, unless he should he throws two 25 times a game.
SPEAKER_00But here's what's gonna happen. Now he's not gonna be forced to throw to any one superstar or any one player because of the coach. Oh, you gotta throw it to that guy. So now he can just hopefully read it, read a defense and throw it to the open guy. And hopefully he can boost his uh stock. And I say that selfishly because I have him in a lot of leagues.
SPEAKER_01Oh, okay. It just comes out. I was like, okay. Yeah, he doesn't have a line, doesn't have any receivers. Yeah, it's gonna be bad. I think we'll be I think he's gonna get destroyed.
SPEAKER_00I mean, loves Love's uh can only do so much.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and love's a great back, and you you can see it. That line is just it's terrible. The Cardinals have to do so much.
SPEAKER_00That's a good one. I didn't think about them, but yeah.
SPEAKER_01Okay, so who are some players then you would target to win your league this year?
SPEAKER_00DJ Moore. Three weeks in a way or a row. We're gonna talk about DJ Moore. I I figured you would say DJ Moore. I like the DJ Moore pick this time. This time. Not Jerry Rice, not uh no DJ Moore. I'd still say he's good. I mean, if you wanted to uh Bernard's a good one, like you said. Um if you get Garrett Wilson kind of cheap, I'd do that. Garrett Wilson's interesting concussion, but yeah. Yeah, but I mean that's an injury he can come back from.
Fantasy Winners Losers And Steelers Miss
SPEAKER_00It's not like he's uh got a uh soft issue.
SPEAKER_01Well, how do you think, okay, so Wilson, I get it, but also uh Mitchell didn't have a good game last week. I don't understand. But there's a lot of there's not a ton of targets to go around, I guess, because they have so many weapons. They do. Jets are kind of interesting. They are Jets, I kind of like going into next year, whoever that QB, and now they have three first rounders. I'm the Jets. I don't think you need to trade up. They were getting ready to get all these picks to be the first pick to get Arch Manning, and now I think they just can just.
SPEAKER_00If he comes out this year, yeah, I don't think he does. I he I don't know. There's they're messing with his uh his career. I think strategic uh be fine. He's a manning. No, he but exactly. But he's also a manning who will be like I'm not going to do their own thing. Yeah, I'm not going to your team, so I'm just gonna come back another year. Uh I can see that. Yeah. There's there's there's some chatter, but like you said, there's no elite quarterback. There's a bunch of good quarterbacks. Um Lemor uh Lenore Sailors. He's interesting. He's a big boy. He's got a high ceiling. He does, but he could come back, and they're already projecting. If he doesn't get a high pick, he may come back in 2028. And so it's kind of interesting.
SPEAKER_01A lot of them can either come back or so 2027, 2028 are both kind of interesting drafts right now.
SPEAKER_00Uh running back, I mean, they're good quarterback on both sides. Uh 2028 has no running backs that are notable. Like this year actually has some tangible running backs. Yeah, they got a uh Brown, Lacey. Um who's the Hardy?
SPEAKER_01Was the other guy?
SPEAKER_00Hardy. So I would say if you're looking for a running back, I would get a running back this year, not in 2028, because it's unknown yet who's gonna stand out. Uh quarterbacks are kind of um they're supposed to be a good receiver class 2027, too.
SPEAKER_01And then obviously Harrison's method. Does Smith go as you're the number one pick or quarterback this year? You have the one-on-one.
SPEAKER_00What are you doing? Who are you picking? Oh he's coming out because you the money's too good not to come out. Probably Smith. You if you had the number one across the board? Just as of now.
SPEAKER_01It depends on your team, of course, but like just say default team, I think I go Smith.
SPEAKER_00So what if you actually have you have two solid receivers, your fluck, your third's kind of what and then but your quarterbacks are all like Daniel Jones, Ward, and name some other. Are you taking quarterback over Smith? Or do you draft some? Elaine Smith.
SPEAKER_01I feel like this it's like a Calvin Johnson year. Just take him. Yeah, because my concern with all these quarterbacks I see coming into this year, I'm not super impressed with any of them. Because right now, the guy that they're talking about the most, um Meta Maker or whatever. Metsa maker from Oklahoma State. He didn't play high school football, or he wasn't a strong quarterback for a high school team. Goes North Texas, blows out of the world. Same with Oklahoma State. I feel like that guy, I mean, he's not the comparison was like a poor man, Josh Allen. I don't see the Josh Allen, but I I get I get the comparisons. Uh, but he hasn't played a ton of football. And a lot of these guys that are coming out haven't played a ton of football. I mean, CJ Carr is probably the safest. Trinidad is I don't even know if he's six foot. No, he uh on paper it is. DJ Moore just had a massive injury to his head. He's already dealing with like kind of you know some mental things that were going on.
SPEAKER_00I just I don't know. I don't know uh they're all kind of mensa.
SPEAKER_01I think one of them will rise to the top in the playoffs, and like you said, like one will, but I don't think it's gonna be. I it kind of reminds me of, yeah, like when uh Calvin Johnson came out and everybody was like, draft Russell. And it was like clearly Calvin Johnson was his own, I don't know. Yeah, I kind of throw from his knees. Yeah, if I have Caleb Williams, some of my teams I have like Caleb Williams standing, like maybe I, you know, it kind of depends on what would you choose a running back or okay if you play on the running backs to sure? And I like running backs that get paid. I oh I feel like well I feel like I'm bad at drafting running backs too. Because I feel like I see these guys, I think they're good, and they see them come into the league, and then it's guys that get opportunity. And how bad?
SPEAKER_00If I have the 101 and I don't like the quarterbacks, and I don't need a receiver, I start uh waterfalling down. Yeah. And I trade back to the 102, pick up a third, trade back to the 103, pick up another third. So then so then you can still get your quarterback and you picked up some assets, and then that will fuel the uh the off-season, because off season starts right after the Super Bowl.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I agree with you. And the reality is there's five, five to six they're saying right now. Only two
Targets To Buy And Draft Tactics
SPEAKER_01or three of them are gonna be good.
SPEAKER_00Maybe.
SPEAKER_01I mean, we don't even know that. We just assume. But those are the odds, right? Those are the odds. So okay. Well, the guys I liked um to go after, I Kirk Cousins. I don't think, you know, would you rather have Kirk Cousins or Matthew Stafford right now?
SPEAKER_00If you're trying to in a two-cubic league cousins only because of his weapons. I mean, without Puka, that's hard. Yeah, he'll be gone, but then No, he'll be there. You think Stafford's team? Or cousins, excuse me, cousins, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00They both got, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, you're right. Yeah. But right now, Stafford has nobody to throw to. I think that's kind of a sneaky play. Go get cousins. I know his value's gone up a little bit, but he's second.
SPEAKER_00He can still get him for a second. Late second. You can get her a second, right? You should be getting him for a late second. But if he if uh someone has like a Murray, then they're probably not trading him.
SPEAKER_01Also, Jordan Addison, his value goes up. Mason's kind of interesting now because the running back for the Vikings, because they should, in theory, be getting up on teams. They have elite defense, can run the ball.
SPEAKER_00So they'll be able to actually sustain their their play calling the way that they envision. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And then too, 2020 draft class, Austin Simmons, Missouri. He just got re-signed by Missouri for another year. Taylor. Taylor, Mississippi State, and you just got like a balance of the 100%. $70 million to come back? That's what I love is the re-signings now. I hate it. Why did that never happen before?
SPEAKER_00Because it's shenanigans.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. Yeah. That's good. No, I don't know. So what do you think? 2020. Do you have time for overtime? Yeah, overtime. All right, cool. Uh, so what do you think?
24 Team College Playoff And NIL
SPEAKER_01We're not talking fantasy football now. The college playoffs went to 24 teams. They're gonna get rid of conference champions. I love it.
SPEAKER_00Do you think conferences go away? It should because the money used to be within the conference. Now it's just the cable deals. Yeah. And so, but if conferences go away, I think there should be a blanket NIL money. Yeah. And each team it only gets four like 14 million. And then you can only use that. And so I think you have to make it across the board fair, even for the little guy. But I'm all about it.
SPEAKER_01I think so too. And I'm curious how many teams, because the 24, you think you'd want like how many teams do you think are gonna be in this new look league? Because I think the conferences are going away. I don't think it's not as here's my thoughts. Okay, you look at Notre Dame right now. I think everybody shells in Notre Dame. They don't share any of the revenue. They don't share any, they're making tons of money. And then if you're in Michigan or Ohio State or Oregon. Oregon. Is that how you say it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Really? Oh god, it's a lot of people.
SPEAKER_02Thank God. Uh yeah, why share? No.
SPEAKER_00You shouldn't. But everybody does. And because they want that, they don't want to be on TV. They want, but if you're good, you'll be on TV. Right. And so I think uh streaming has changed, cable rights has changed. I mean, there's so many platforms. So I mean, you could pull all that money, you can stream it everywhere. You know, that's way bigger. That's big brain.
SPEAKER_01I'm just wondering how many teams get into this new league. Because I think a lot of them expire around 2030. Um, I think conferences are going away. So how many teams? It's probably a minimum 60, probably less 70, 80 teams. You would have to have a decent amount because you Because you don't want like half the teams to get in. You don't want that would be lame.
SPEAKER_00Well, you don't want 30 because then then everybody makes it. Yeah, no, no, no. So you'd have to. So then you'd have to have this larger pool to make it worthy. Yeah. I'm just curious if you know V gets in it or not. I don't know. I I went to the game on and that was Saturday. But that was a whole I was like, oh, everybody's leaving at halftime. Yeah, if they're not winning. No. Dan Mullen, should they keep him? He should leave.
SPEAKER_01And then whoever he should leave so that way they can get more money on the buyout. Yeah, I actually think it's kind of a win-win. Like I think if he stays, obviously, I think overall he's a good coach. But I think it would be maybe a win if he took that.
SPEAKER_00You have to Who's above him that you could get? Like who's available that would be worthy of because he's a good coach, and you're not gonna replace him with a lesser coach. You need to you need to tear up right.
SPEAKER_01Well, I think Odom did a better job than Dan Mullen. And he was not not this, you're not gonna get an Odom, right? Like he's in Purdue. I'm not saying you get him back or anything, but you could got you can get underrated guy that probably has more upside than Mullen. My concern with Mullen right now, and I'm overall a fan of Mullen. I'm glad he joined Unl V, put us a little on the map, but it just kind of feels like with his coordinate, like defense is why is the defense so bad with all that talent? Is it recruit? I mean, are they that talented though compared to it's in the Melon West? It's not it's not a good conference. And Paul Gunther, like I feel like everybody's been complaining about this for a year and a half. It's still not working. Corey Dennis is a buddy of him too. The offense, I think we thought like more, we're gonna see more from the I think he got kind of saved with AC recruit, and he need he deserves credit for AC um and getting him last year. But if that guy is on that team, that that team doesn't win 10 games. That was that would have been like a seven, eight win team.
SPEAKER_00So why why all of a sudden go to Orgy though? Just to change it up? I think so. Do you keep Orgy then going forward?
UNLV Coaching Debate And Wrap
SPEAKER_01I think you gotta mix it up. I'd Arnold has just I think he's just a very solid quarterback. My my concern with it is I don't think they've done a good job with him because he's he's just not he's not an elite quarterback, and it feels like the offense completely goes through him when you have an amazing running back that's proven himself. I would have built the offense around the running game and open it up till the quarterback got more um confident. But it's just like all these run plays with the quarterback that he gets hit and he goes right down. Yeah, it just it's been disappointing on both sides of the ball, and the fact it's cool to see the Mountain Westes rise and Air Force looks good, Wyoming. That's great, but to not look good in these games, it's not like they're looking good and the other and it's close, it's like they got destroyed.
SPEAKER_00The that first half on Saturday was bad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and they barely beat Northern Illinois. Yeah, I mean they haven't won a game.
SPEAKER_01So someone has but I agree with you. I think if he could take money somewhere, it may not be a bad thing. Yeah, no, I get it. And I wouldn't advise another year. But it's sometimes you get these older coaches.
SPEAKER_00Doesn't he have a high school kid that goes to Gorman? I think so.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but you can't, just one player. And we don't know if he's good or not.
SPEAKER_00Like just saying, I'm I'm just saying there's there's always uh an angle. Same with uh the guy at the basketball. I think the son plays basketball. No, I think the basketball coach, doesn't he have a kid at Gorman too? Basketball? I don't know. I don't think so.
SPEAKER_01We'll have to look at that. No, I think, yeah, I think Mullen's son plays basket. I think he plays basket. I just know he was a Gorman. I don't know. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, if he plays for him basketball, that'd be great. But anyways.
SPEAKER_02All right, we're gonna wrap this up. See Brown fixed me on. You see this guy bottom the bear? Gotta run to Vegas, take care of himself today.